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My take is that Bryce was terrible coming in but improved at the end of last season which did make me excited about watching this team again. If he continues to improve and look better (I hope he does) then we’re not in the market for a QB. If he regresses or doesn’t show signs of being anything more than a mid to low end starter we are probably looking for a QB next April. Excited to see what he can do and hope he can build on last seasons momentum.

well, if you compare him vs his peers based on facts and stats......that would favor my side of things vs yours. Would it not? because again, even when you uniquely cherry pick Bryce down to only games folks want to acknowledge (which means ruling out most of his NFL career).......where does that leave him?

I expect Bryce to probably regress a little the first half of the year vs where he left off and then improve some (he is young, I consider last year his rookie year in large part, and folks will study that film hard). I think he will be a serviceable starter. Low end of the middle of the pack. So like 20ish range in terms of starters.

Actually I looked up whether they keep stats on how many jump passes quarterbacks make a year. I figured Mahomes would be near the top with all his acrobatics. But I couldn't find it. My point is and was that we see what we want and expect to see. You expect and look for validation that he is too short and small to be our franchise guy. And as the saying goes you always find what you are looking for because you ignore the contrary. I simply say compare him against his peers based on facts and stats not your observations and opinions. And if you don't think you have an agenda you would be the first person not to.

The good news is, if all things go as you expect this year there should be a ton of good options at the draft next year. So there is that.

the QB sneak isn't my hill. Best 4th and 1 play (push tush excluded) IMO is a Cam or Lamar direct snap not under C, not a sneak. Which means you can't sell out completely in the gaps. You because they can take it anywhere, or over the top, or pass. But that's QB for running QBs. if random textbook QB (Stafford, Lawrence, whoever) is my QB).....I don't love the QB sneak. For a lot of the reasons you mentioned.

Actually I have always felt that using a qb to sneak was a huge mistake even for big guys. Do you remember when Cam sneaked the ball and got a helmet spear to the head and it wasn't even called. It is unnecessary and potentially dangerous. Everyone knows what you are going to do. Why not have a big guy or backup run the ball who is disposable? Yeah they know what is coming if you bring in a big guy. Like they don't if you keep the QB in...... Actually there are many more reasons not to sneak the ball with the qb versus using something else like New Orleans did who could still run or pass.

you want me to provide evidence of his jump balls? Or bailing the pocket? I don't think either of those claims requires me to show you evidence. What do you want evidence of exactly? never did I mention downfield throws. I said, he gets blind to play at the lines because of his size (the quick stuff). There are literally plays I don't have time to search for but have been highlighted on QB school where there is just no way he can see the options on certain plays even if wide open (talking behind and around the line of scrimmage). Line too close paired with the receiving option too close. And the stat I referenced (which you can find on next gen stats) was he is below average at and behind the line of scrimmage....which I'm sure his size/vision plays a role in the why. I have an agenda? Cool. Then so do you. and again, Bryce's cherry picked best play (which isn't how anything works).....still leaves him on the low end of production. I'm not overly bashing Bryce. I just acknowledge, most signs point to him having a low ceiling. And in the big picture, that's not the direction you want to go. He is our QB for now. I hope he improves. Which in turn would allow our O and others to develop. But to me, there isn't much of an argument that Bryce Young is anything but short term solution.

Again where is the evidence. You keep saying it but honestly you have shown no evidence. Unless you know what he was supposed to do and then what he did do, you don't know anything about his intentions and or forced changes due to height. His completion percentage for passes from 1 to 10 yards was only slightly lower than his best percentage which was 10 to 20 yards passing. Not enough of a difference to be significantly different. Truth is you have an agenda that you try to justify despite any evidence to the contrary. Many of us felt the same way but have allowed his actual play to inform our opinion. I still would have picked Stroud over Bryce but I am willing to keep an open mind and see what is there instead of filtering everything through my biases and already polarized opinions.

I miss Ryan, but his brother shamed the family name for generations

being arguably the smallest QB in the modern era.....is likely a factor though. Making that just a QB sneak convo isn't the right convo.

I don’t mean to dump on you, but we always have too many unrealistic hopes in the preseason. It’s one thing if we were back in the playoffs/winning divisions but when we stink we are really unrealistic. Jordan Matthews hadn’t played in years but we think he could do well? Sanders breaking Panther rookie TE records so now he’ll double that production even after we add a 3rd down RB and a, hopefully, stud WR? I’m hoping for the team to keep improving but let’s discuss the top 2 Panthers rookie TE seasons: 33-342 1 TD 36-333 2 TDs I didn’t look it up but I’m assuming the comment about Sanders breaking a record is true, so Sanders is the first row. Anyone hazard a guess on who row two is? That’s right, that’s our legendary Ian Thomas. If Sanders can’t block and Evans can, I really hope Evans wins the starting or 2nd TE spot. I feel like we discussed this before that we often tipped our hand pass/run based on the TE playing. Sanders wasn’t so dynamic that he’s got to be on the field so hopefully Evans/Tremble step up so that we can run or pass at any time without being hindered by bad blocking.

Are we still arguing that the QB sneak of all plays is some career defining weakness. Teams run an average or 4.5 qb sneaks per year! Yes that average has increased recently with the tush push, but the fact is league average is like 1 per game. It is a non factor.

It was disappointing because if you watched the games you would know that 2/3 of those stats were put up after the game was out of hand.

his on target % had him ranked 31st last year. and only Anthony Richardson had a worse bad throw %

Ravens mixing it up with a random Mark Andrew tush push last year isn't a similar situation. Lamar has run QB sneaks his entire career. And often instead of a traditional sneak will even employ a 4th and 1 direct snap to Lamar simply because of how athletic he is (which even Cam did a lot of) and let him pick his own holes.

height being an issue doesn't just mean batted balls. You could argue Bryce minimizes batted balls by adopting other poor habits such as his jump passing and leaving the pocket. As I said, there are plays you can point to where he clearly was blind to parts of the field/players....which kills plays and opportunity. Which actually means some of the shorter/hot throws when things break down are where his vision gets blocked (and he had below average production all around the line of scrimmage). has he figured it out? I mean, he improved off a trainwreck start. But Bryce Young since arriving in the league (even while figuring it out)......doesn't generate much offensive production vs his peers. I just think his ceiling is low. And that's not in the grand scheme what you want in the NFL. I think he can develop into a serviceable QB, that will largely always been a middle of the pack or low end starter.

People make a lot of noise about his footwork and I think it is overblown. Whether he takes 3 steps backwards or 5 small steps doesn't matter as long as he ends up at the right depth and is in sync with the receiver regarding timing. If he does that consistently who cares as long as he has a firm stable base as he delivers the ball. Which he does need to work on. However even that is somewhat overblown given that often QBs have to throw off balance or from different arm angles to fit the ball around defenders. He is considered very accurate so apparently it isn't hurting him that much.

Thank you for all the release metaphors! It's helped make my morning But no...just eww..

No. You don't go to battle with "middle of the road" at the most important position. You need to see real potential to win games from your QB. You're not trying to find "Don't lose this game for us", you're trying to find "We need you to win this game for us." Last year's first overall pick threw for 3500 yards, 20 TD's and 6 INT's and his season was considered disappointing. Now, I don't really get that, because his stats were very similar to Jayden Daniels, who people just gushed over. All that to say, stats don't really tell the complete story. They can be a guidepost, but only one of a number. Bryce needs to look like a guy who is going to win games for you. Like this:

Stanky

We are here! After a pretty dominant round 1 vs the devils. We get big caps team. We actually had a better head to head record vs them in the regular season. Stick to our game. Let the special teams keep being special. Who knew our PP and PK would both be deadly. Freddie is back and Aho is a dad now. Get 1 of these games in Washington, preferably tonight. LFG Canes!!!

This is one story without a happy ending

At the end of the day he's laughing all the way to the bank with generational wealth. Probably best to just put this in the past for good.