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Just an old vet who knows the system. I haven’t noticed any love for him really.

I could see Renfrow beating out Moore. I really don't understand the love for Moore on this board

I was more referring to the actual following each team has. The above teams except for maybe NO have MASSIVE followings. You can go to any sports bar anywhere in the country on a Sunday and there will be all of the above teams’ jerseys represented. Yes, the Panthers occupy a large geographical area, but the number of people that actually care about the franchise or can name more than 5 prior players is still very small. South Carolina is largely Clemson/SEC country and it’s not even close. There is a Panthers contingency, but it has to compete. Like it or not, Panthers are still not all that relevant in the NFL. We’re a 30 year old team based in a transplant state that loses more often than not, has never had back to back winning seasons, no SB victories and is stuck squarely in college football country. It’s tough to grow our brand until more consistent winning goes our way. Most fans of sports teams are Luke warm bandwagoners. No one jumps on a broken down bandwagon. It’s not hopeless but until we start seeing consistent success it won’t change.

I kind of want Edgecomb to make it to 4. Bailey seems like a bit of an ego case IMO. Regardless we will draft a future MVP and trade him away. It’s tradition.

Fingers crossed for Ace Bailey. Him not doing any workouts could be a huge blessing in disguise for us if he falls out of the top 3. Hope the team doesn’t mess it up.

Pray to god we don’t take the next Jon Scheyer/Kyle Singler/etc. with the #4 overall pick. The league has plenty of mid-athlete 3pt shooters that can’t defend superior athletes, we don’t need to waste a top 5 draft pick on one.

I don’t think the games are outright rigged but they are definitely nudged through bias and incompetence. And in a league with the best athletes in the world with the smallest margin of error that’s all it takes to change the outcome of a game. It doesn’t even feel like the best teams win anymore. It’s just who gets the bullshit call to take advantage of. The officials are the major problem and they certainly have a superiority complex. Remember when they made PI challengeable? They essentially boycotted it and refused to change calls. Why? Because they don’t like being told they’re wrong.

June hype doesn't always lead to a September roster spot, though.

He might be half a football player at this point too.

I guess in theory they could IR horn just to see how the season starts with moore

Draft day is upon us.... Which bust we drafting tonight boys?

I think this puts Moore on the outside looking in / it comes down to Special Teams for me. McMillan Thielen Legette Coker Renfrow Horn (pending how they think he looks as our KR/PR)

There were 2-3 games end of last year really looked like Bryce and Moore had a good connection but I feel like Horn may have to much upside to survive not getting picked off the practice squad. I give the edge to Horn making the roster. Renfrow can be everything Moore was and more.

I was thinking horn as well simply because moore plays on ST and reasonably well. Would love to stash horn. I really think Bryce needs a wr like him but he needs to develop obviously

Moore. Worst YAC per reception in the entire NFL paired w/ a high drop % last year. Or you practice squad Horn who is probably getting too big of a bump. 6th round WRs generally aren't year 1 roster guys opening up the season.

whos the odd man odd then? Assuming we carry 6 AT XL Tet HR JC Moore? Horn?

Hunter Renfrow is making this team. That is all. Panthers WR Theilen on Renfrow (AKA best route runner on the roster) “He runs great choice routes. He finds space really well, great body control. Things that aren’t necessarily my strongest suit. I’ve made it work over the years. But he’s really good at them,” Thielen said. “So it’s been fun to see him in person. Obviously, I’ve seen him on tape. But you see it firsthand, you try to pick some things from what he does.” Panthers S Moehrig on Renfrow “That dude is a joystick, man,” Moehrig said. “He’s just so crafty at the way he runs routes, the way he moves. He’s just a true, all-around route runner. Can get in and out of his breaks, super quick and is just super deceptive. Off the field, he’s a great guy, really helpful. That’s Hunter for you.” Huddle poster CRA on Renfrow He's half man, half god, half possible centaur. *disclaimer, do not bet on the NFL or anything I say. The NFL is crazy and so am I.

No more reaching for draft picks. Our pick should be Kon, no questions asked. The guy fills our most important need, and that's shooting. No reason to get fancy and do something stupid. Just pick the best spot up shooter in the draft

Correction. They were already up by 4 so it would have been a 5 or 6 point lead.

the games are often influenced in certain directions. Players also favored or worked against. you see it in all sports.

Small Market? That would be Green Bay Market smaller than Charlotte? Then you're talking Kansas City, Baltimore, New Orleans, Indianapolis, Pittsburgh... Folks need to stop using "small market" when referring to the Panthers. It's not true when referring just to Charlotte. It's definitely not true when combining Charlotte with additional coverage areas like Greenville/Spartanburg/Asheville or Greensboro/High Point/Winston Salem

Or just don't be an ass and hang out in the left lane. Just use common courtesy. The people who tailgate and be an ass are no better and its not a surprise that a lot of road rage incidents occur when inconsiderate people and assholes cross paths. Just make an effort not to be either. "Not allowing the bully to bully you" is also being an inconsiderate ass to the people behind the "bully" who would also like you to GTFO of the left lane.

It was completely disgusting and the most obvious fix I’ve ever witnessed. Deflating. It’s probably gone on for decades but high def TV has truly outed the egregious ‘officiating’. When was the last time a small market team was allowed to win a SB? Offensive holding is it, and it’s so predictable. 2nd and 7 turns in to 2nd and 17. Defense pins their ears back, covers the slot guy and TE roaming the middle, and watches for the WR/RB screen. D line needs to maintain gap integrity. The deep shot to the WR down the sideline is a low percentage play so no real worry there. Most average O lines won’t be able to convert. Loser getting too close to FG range in a close game? Holding. Winner needs a short field? Holding. DCs love them some obvious passing downs. Narrows down the playbook and significantly puts the odds in their favor. Put a team in 2nd/3rd and long all day and they are NOT going to win that game. It would be interesting to do a statistical analysis of the relationship of holding calls and game outcomes. This is where having skill position people that can go yard on any given play is so valuable.

It can still be enjoyable. I don't think the players are in on it. I mean, I think they probably understand the "business" but they are trying. So it's fun to watch them. But I admit I'm not even close to emotionally invested as I was before the SB50. It also just happens it's usually on a Sunday and I don't have much going on anyway. I really think it's just one head ref that can push a game the way he wants it from instructions from the man upstairs. Why else do they keep bad refs? I don't think it always works out when they try to push the game though but more often than not it works. Sometimes a team can beat the refs and the opposing team but it's rare.