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Whether it's consistently seeing the field his arm talent his mechanics it all points to a limited player that needs virtually everything to go right in order to possibly begin to overachieve or play at an elite level. Some people are willing to accept average at best but that's not what we're here for. This is a business.

Last year folks were gaslighting that Bryce was the best deep passer in the NFL despite not ever making plays downfield NOW, he has A+++++++ arm strength one notch down from Brett Favre S Tier arm strength? And people complain people are Bryce “haters” for arguing against all this type wildness lol.

I looked at him and his arm and his footwork, before he was drafted. It was clear then it is clear now. He doesn’t have an arm that can flick a ball down the field using only the arm. I don’t see his arm as good by NFL standards. I see it as something he must overcome. So I quibble with the characterization. What I completely agree with is if he does not do his mechanics and footwork right his velocity and accuracy suffers. If he is diligent and adheres to proper execution, yeah he can make do with his arm. That sort of is what it is at this point. Another aspect of it is he needs to use maximum effort to go downfield or to really drive a ball with any kind of heat. That (max effort) hinders accuracy. I have talked about this before. He is at a disadvantage having to max exert compared to a guy that can use a very repeatable easier throwing motion. Up to him if he can proof the pudding and hang with the big dogs.

In history? Going back to the beginning I would have to say Kevin Greene and Lamar Latham are just a few that are ahead of him. Even ahead of Olsen.

Mike Jack is the most underrated player on the roster. I don't know if he's actually that good, but he is thriving as CB2 in this defense.

I agree at this point winning at all is needed to restore some semblance of confidence and culture. But can we be honest with one another? I am in no way advocating for tanking because it isn't a realistic concept. But how many times now over these last 8 years or so have we won games that ultimately proved to be meaningless to our culture when we opened the following season looking like butt cheeks? Just beating up a bad team here and there or squeaking by a competitve team on occasion is not going to move the needle. Real culture change will happen with sustained success. That begins with competing for our division and the playoffs.

At the time of the trade, yeah, absolutely. KB was absolutely cooked. Getting anything for him was a win, and a third and seventh is pretty good. I mean Deandre Hopkins went for a 5th. Deebo for a 5th. Jerry Juedy for a 5th and 6th. Davante Adams for a 3rd. KB lasted less than a year with the Bills, and when he was cut, he had the worst catch rate in the league at 35%.

Just an FYI. The Jaguars only blitzed on 20% of Bryce Young's dropbacks in week 1.

Probably will not fare well, but if the Panthers can just beat the bad NFL teams and half of the decent teams, this would be a huge improvement and would show progress in the right direction instead of the constant rebuild.

TMac had an off game and dropped several passes. Also, there is enough film on Bryce and teams know that he will pick you apart if he isn't pressured, so teams are going to pressure him regularly which means short passes.

Yeah, I wasn't taking a shot at him personally, but I don't get the vibe he could produce a 2003 Rams type of game for us

Mark my words it’s only a matter of time before other teams take TM out of the game with attention/gameplan and the passing game is going to be bad if they don’t find an answer. If only we had a saavy vet that had great hands…

We didn't get Ransom to sit the bench but he is still learning his fits and responsibilities. He will see more field as he improves. What the defense finally did on Sunday was not have significant breakdowns with players out of place or blown coverages. As he figures that out he will ultimately become the starter because he is a dog and instinctively around the ball.

On a personal level he's a fine human by all accounts but this franchise has experienced the best success in 30 years with vocal leaders in Newton and Delhomme. When someone asks you to name the best leaders on your team and time and time again you find yourself naming anyone but your QB then that's a sign you need to keep looking IMO. And that's not even addressing the lack of physical attributes.

We should lobby for two team divisions.

Saw this on reddit and not sure of the author but he had the data suggesting in 2025 Bryce throws as hard as most qbs. His issues are not arm strength but poor foot mechanics. Interesting video of his drops and why he goes back to 10 yards. And an analysis of the Arizona game good and bad. Nothing about can't throw off balance or on the run. More about taking care of the ball and trying to do too much which are very fixable like no turnovers by the offense on Sunday.

They are here for us, making sure we fan properly. For our own good.

Ransom has a badass name too. I would buy his jersey if I still bought jerseys

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No but he’s definitely got that feisty drag queen vibe going when he hands off for a big first down.

I think we would all accept BY more if he was another Delhomme (fiery guy that would compete with the best in big moments and got the boys fired up to win a close one or comeback), but he doesn't seem to have that going for him either

I really like our rookie class this year..

Ransom feels like a guy who pops on the screen when he’s out there.

I get the frustration with all the Bryce talk. After all, there's not much new to say about it. Know what else is frustrating? Watching a third year pro be seemingly unable to complete throws to anyone 15 yards from the like of scrimmage reliably.