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Exhibit A of why Woods was cut.... Trying to shoulder knockdown the best WR in the NFL ends up with air Also not sure what the h*ll coverage Horn was playing but covering nothibg after a poo jam

I'm just telling you what the team is currently looking at. Aho, Jarvis, Staal, KK as the four centers in that order as of right now. Obviously id prefer them to go get McTavish but the asking price is pretty damn high.

Summary Austin Corbett being named a starter already might be strategic because it allows the team to have Cade Mays compete to play LG if Damien Lewis continues to have shoulder issues going into the season. Brady Christensen is most valuable to the team as the sixth-man/swing tackle for the OL and having him start a game at guard only to have to kick out to tackle (should there be an injury) is less than ideal. Was the weakest link on the OL when he was the starting LG and though he has short arms he is too athletic and so good in space that playing him at tackle is better. RT makes more sense as it's brawn-on-brawn more than it is on the weakside where somebody like Princely Umanmielen can out-athletic him. Cade Mays provides similar versatility that Christensen does, but can stick to the interior while Brady stays on the outside (unless, Lord forbid, there's multiple injuries that requires Mays + Christensen on the interior and Nijman to takeover at OT). Kaye thinks that the only keep two QBs on the roster and while he's seen some of the angst that Andy Dalton caused from the preseason opener but through the first two weeks of training camp he looked like he could be in the conversation if there was a competition for QB1. Not because of any lacking one Bryce's behalf, but just based on the great looks he's given the second-team defense. He's lofted balls into the endzone including a big TD to Coker. Also threw about 45yds through the air to TJ Luther for a TD. Zietlow empathizes with the fans because they can't see anything from training camp. Mike has the team keeping three RBs with Raheem Blackshear as the odd-man out with Etienne set to take over as one of the two returners. Former Ragin' Cajun and Horned Frog Emani Bailey has looked good running the ball in the last couple of practices as well as during the preseason opener. Likely priority practice squad candidate. Thinks that the team should only keep six WRs in order to take an extra OL or DL into the season, but summoning his inner Eric Eager Kaye doesn't see how they justify not keeping seven WRs without a trade. Doesn't think if it's a failure if a trade can't come to fruition to move that seventh WR if they do that. Loves what he's seeing out of McMillan, Coker, and Legette. TMac is starting to surge and Jimmy Horn Jr might be the lead punt returner. With the team being so light on quality special teams players, David Moore might be somebody that they can cut and bring back. All of the WRs further down the roster are also making plays (lists Tremayne, Luther, and George). Alex likes their initial numbers: two QBs, three RBs, and seven WRs. Mike points out that with seven WRs there's no way the team takes four TEs. Will Tremble be healthy and if not who makes the roster while he recovers? James Mitchell has looked good and like it might be him if that's the route. Poses the question of do they take 10 OL? Probably going to have eight active on game day but with DLew's injury, TMo's history, Hunt getting dinged up recently in practice, Corbett's back-to-back season ending injuries creates a legitimate conversation about whether or not they go into the season with ten OL and then try to stash one on the practice squad afterwards. Couple of minutes of debate over the classification of the word hero... Don't have LaBryan Ray, Shy Tuttle, nor Akayleb Evans on their final 53. Quick intermission as they bring on The Houston Chronicle's Jonathan Alexander (formerly of The Charlotte Observer where he was once the Panthers' beat reporter). JA thinks that some of the critique of CJ's game last season was overblown but also understands that folks want to see growth from year one to year two rather than regression but he still had some good moments. Still had a decent TD:INT ratio (20:12) and was listed at #39 in the recent NFL Top 100. Texans were dealing with a lot of injuries early in the summer: Joe Mixon has a foot issue from an off-field injury, Nick Chubb is returning from a season ending injury and recently came back from a concussion as well, Dameon Pierce who is coming back from a quad injury and just recently practiced in full for the first time, Dare Ogunbowale is their do-it-all guy (including emergency kicker), and they drafted Woody Marks out of USC in the 4th round of the 2025 draft. The team might even try to sneak five RBs on to the roster. Chubb isn't a guarantee to make the roster with how much they like Pierce, Dare, and recently invested a 4th in Marks. Talked issues in the secondary after CJGJ's injury and Jimmie Ward's felony assault charge. CJGJ injury was really tough even though he'll come back at some point during the season. Stingley and Lassiter provides them with two lockdown outside CBs. Kaylin Bulock is a ball hawk that struggles in the run game but Jaylen Petri is one of the best hitters/blitzers at the nickel position in the league (though he gives up some in the pass game). They're still going to be strong in the secondary even without CJGJ. DL is one of the best in the league. Will Anderson Jr and Danielle Hunter on the outside with a deeper DT room. DL + secondary are the strongest areas of the defense. Houston WR room has a lot of names that even casual football fans know of (Nico Collins, Christian Kirk, Tank Dell, John Metchie III, Braxton Berrios, both of the Iowa State WRs, etc). Main four are Collins, Kirk, Higgins (Iowa St), and Noel (Iowa St). Open competition for the remaining two to three spots depending on what Berrios has done since coming back from injury. If Berrios is good to go, they could keep seven. John Metchie III, Xavier Hutchinson (a former Iowa St WR himself), and Justin Watson (former Chief) are all competing for those remaining spots with Berrios. Rookie contract guarantees have been getting deeper and deeper every year, so when Higgins was drafted the Texans didn't want to deal with the back-and-forth so they just guaranteed the full deal. Asked about what the external view of Bryce Young is outside of the Carolinas. Jonathan says that the league respects Bryce and the Texans do especially. CJ and him are close, Will Anderson is close with Bryce, Henry Too'too is close with Bryce, Metchie is close with Bryce. Whenever they're asked about him they show nothing but love, including saying that he was going to turn things around in Carolina. Folks around the organization and others outside of Carolina around the league feel like the Panthers didn't put the necessary tools around Bryce in his rookie season. They gave him the tools in his second season, but it was all about his confidence then. They think he's going to be one of the better QBs in the league for a long time. End of Jonathan's segment. Back to just Mike and Alex. Roster bets! Can't be guys that you know are going to be on the roster or win jobs. Outside of the kicker competition there isn't too many positions up in the air. Of the guys in the 45 - 55 range, stake their claim on who they think will make the roster. MK starts with Jaden Crumedy, last year's sixth-round pick. Likes what he's been doing in the run game, feels like he complements DB well. A'Shawn Robinson is complemented by Turk Wharton and Bobby Brown III is complemented by Cam Jackson. AZ points out how Crumedy played in five different defensive schemes in college. AZ goes with Ja'Tyre Carter. He had a solid rest of the game after giving up his initial sack which wasn't exactly egregious. This training camp has shown how important OL depth is and with how much has been invested they're going to want to make sure to keep the strength a strength (especially with three of the five starters already dinged up). Could make the roster as OL10. He's serviceable and part of a group that needs as much depth as possible, so sees the logic in keeping him. MK's next pick... Thomas Incoom. He's been terrific at practice on defense and was solid against the Browns on special teams. Doesn't see why DJ Johnson would be kept over Incoom as the latter is a better pass rusher and a much, much better ST contributor (doesn't hurt that he's outperformed DJ Johnson in every which way). Pointed out a play where DJ Johnson froze up on a reverse when he's supposed to be a good run defender. They've put a lot in and while Evero was pro-DJ Johnson, he was ultimately a selection of the previous regime. Pointed out Brandt Tillis' comments about not cutting Turk Wharton because it would lose the team trying to stash him rather than fielding the best 53 players. Morgan + Tillis don't benefit from storing a player that they didn't draft, and Incoom brings so much on special teams while also providing a pass rush despite needing to improve against the run. AZ's pick... Nick Scott. Both agree that he's a special teamer and a back-up, but Scott also brings a legitimate leadership quality to the team that's well-liked by everybody. Both agree that Ransom and Richardson deserve reps over Nick Scott, but he provides a great locker room presence that benefits the team. If he can be the defense's version of David Moore then he provides even more value than he does as a starter. Ransom has been one of the best defensive players in camp and Richardson showed that he is a very capable defensive player at safety. End.

Jarvis is going to be a great player no matter were he plays.... Mctavish id like. No sub 6 foot sub 190 pound guys though

Etienne has 2 total college punt returns. He is not a returner. Horn had 14 total college punt returns. He showed improvement in college from Jr to Sr year. Blackshear has 23 NFL punt returns Renfrow has 70 NFL punt returns I say let Renfrow open the year and you let Horn work on them and eventually let him audition to take it away from Renfrow at PR. Let Etienne, XL and whoever take turns at KR. Blackshear isn't a good enough returner to get a roster spot for returning.

I mean.....there is no question that is 100% on the players. That's fuging pathetic.

Don't tell that to folks like Icege who continually go out of their way to shine his shoes.

Exactly, even with injuries, I can't see too many more of those Jamar Chase 63 yard touchdowns and our DC keep his job.

The special teams are judged as a complete unit. We can kickoff but we still can't field a punt. When we can successfully do both I'll feel better.

Well said, I have parroted the same thing to anyone that would listen since. Watching football that year, you had everyone from high school players, college players, league players, male fans, female fans, little kids, and the elderly mimicking Cam. Everyone was paying attention especially after the Thanksgiving game. They went directly after him and McNabbed him out of the league when it was clear he was becoming the face of it. Instead of leaning in and making the money, they let the league be faceless for a few years while taking unprecedented measures to close the window on our run. From allowing a Broncos' fan to head the officiating crew in the Championship game, to scheduling the same two teams to start the following season, to allowing the league MVP to be targeted in games, to never showing any of the 2015 season's games except the last one on their network, they Men in Black neuralyzed the world regarding the Panthers. All that they left was a narrative that Cam was playing one on one with Von Miller and was scared to jump on a fumble.

We accept any and all clicks here sir your contribution is appreciated. The conversation boils down to some people have a different level of expectations. The losing has created a faction of fans who are content with anything that isn't outright atrocious or worst in the league. An understandable position given some of what we've endured over the years. Then there is the other faction who know that we have only had two long term starting QB's in 30 years of history. There have been brief mirages like Matt Moore and Kyle Allen for example which is why it's very important to get a larger sample size. And while both Cam and Jake had their flaws (that were also discussed and beaten to a bloody pulp here) they undoubtedly elevated the team around them and had an undeniable (before injuries of course) ability to put the ball generally wherever they wanted to as passers. That's the QB we need for the future. I don't care who it is. But when I see it consistently I'll know it and rejoice accordingly. But that's going to take us being competitive and winning games when it matters.

Id rather not risk downgrading 1/3 of our top 6. Jarvis is on pace to become an elite NHL winger. So, let's completely reset his development and negate any growing self confidence. It's giving some real Jeremy Chinn vibes...

I mean, if we get demonstrably better, I can see possibly staying the course. But even with a piss poor defensive roster, we need to dramatically improve for me to want to see more of the Evero Experience. There is only so much blaming the roster and injuries anyone is going to tolerate if we are consistently fielding bottom 5-10 units.

Yeah, that is a growing consensus and I concur. Hasn't shown much more than thin gimmicks(i.e. run scheme), obvious blitzes, and setting up dbs for blown coverages. I feel he could get canned even if we are winning. Maybe I want that scenario.

You want to bounce, and hope for an ugly bounce to prevent kick return from getting a run start. next step is: the returners will try to side up, then you want the ball to bounce and go through the end zone to start on the 20

It can be, but let's be honest, at the bottom of the depth chart, the only people it usually matters to are the players who find themselves with a jersey the first weekend of September. On the field, outside of special teamers, not much time will be spent under the camera's eye.

It's true. For all his faults, JR was a much better owner than Tepper in terms of cobbling together an averageish or successful team. We all thought Tepper would perhaps break the streak of all this average play mixed with good/great seasons. Mission Accomplished: We haven't seen either since.

David Tepper once said something along the lines that the league was basically designed for teams largely all be 8-8. If you are good for an extended period or bad.....it's the people running the show. the problem in Carolina is clear

I’m glad to know my comment can spark days and pages of conversations I never said Bryce was the best QB, we are set, he is consistent. If you read the rest of my post I said the jury is still out and luckily we can decide after this year if he’s worth the contract or not. But stats aside, which I didn’t even remember or care nor are stats everything, he did show as much advanced passing skill - ball placement, timing, footwork, zip - as anyone we’ve ever seen here towards the end of the season. I don’t see how that’s debatable. I’m a huge Cam defender, and Cam showed great poise and accuracy especially in 15 and 17… Jake had a lot of downs with the ups even from game to game.. both Jake and Cam had great leadership and intangibles and both are better than Bryce.. I’m not belittling either of them by saying that Bryce’s passing skill in that Atlanta game was very very good. Now if he regresses and isn’t consistent, starts being bad in the pocket again… then that is that and we can draft a new QB next year. I think even the most ardent Bryce supporters know he is on shaky ground.

Well, even if the odds are low, it isn't like he is gonna bump a quality player off the roster at that spot.

I'd give him a shot. Who knows, so why not. Remembr Frankie luvu was a special teams cast-off from the jets, turned out to be somethin special. Can't hurt to see, if not, no harm no foul.

Care to elaborate why you disagree? We kicked the ball off 3 times and we kept the Browns to starting field position of the 22, 27, and 10 (would have been 21 before a penalty). All 3 of those are successes with the modern kickoff rule.

Its August so obviously quality options are not there. The question is whether any improvement can be made to the bottom of the depth chart.

NFL has a huge amount of parity. The talent level between most NFL starters outside of the top 5 to 10 guys at a position is very comparable. 2020 worst teams Jacksonville Jaguars - 1-15 (worst record in NFL) New York Jets - 2-14 Cincinnati Bengals - 4-11-1 Atlanta Falcons - 4-12 Houston Texans - 4-12 Carolina Panthers - 5-11 Detroit Lions - 5-11 Philadelphia Eagles - 4-11-1 Los Angeles Chargers - 7-9 Denver Broncos - 5-11 2024 Worst teams New York Giants - 3-14 (tied for worst) Cleveland Browns - 3-14 (tied for worst) Tennessee Titans - 3-14 (tied for worst) New England Patriots - 4-13 Carolina Panthers - 5-12 Jacksonville Jaguars - 4-13 Las Vegas Raiders - 4-13 New York Jets - 5-12 Chicago Bears - 5-12 Arizona Cardinals - 8-9 Bengals, Texans, Lions, Eagles, Broncos and the Jags have all made the the playoffs in the last 3 years. What I'm saying is it's stupid to argue when team is the worst when there is so much parity and the system allows quick turnarounds.

We are talking about a single game performance. You are way out in left field rambling on at this point.