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based on Cam's recent story on his podcast, it's a free-for-all after the evening room check

Hey friend, we both know there are no winners or losers until the draft is about 3 years old. We all pound the table like we have the answers , but if we went back and read our comments from 2021--we'd have to change our usernames to save face!! RBs are devalued, so you could get the best bang for your buck by taking a talent like Love.

It seems the needs for the Panthers are at positions that tend to require intelligence to lift others--going from "good to great"--FS, ILB, and C--as you say. While i like Rodriguez a lot (can see the Hurricanes [Jarvis] and Panthers with a mustache player to get the fans into it)--I also like Golday (WLB?). However, take a look at smallish Kyle Louis (Pitt). He is known to be cerebral, but he is small (5'11" I think) and for that, I moved him lower. But look at the different LB events at the combine--he is near the top in most of them. I see him as a sleeper. So if we wait until the second round, we can get a solid LB. So what if we grab a free agent edge specialist (veteran) for pass situations and help develop Princely. We draft FS (Oregon) first--maybe trading back to do so--I dunno. We sign a free agent ILB and draft a rookie like Rodriguez or Louis. In the third, we could probably find a center, like (former OT Parker from Duke) or Slaughter or Pew (may have to trade up). So, as you say, others are fighting for Edge players, WRs, and OTs early like seagulls on the beach fighting over spilled corn chips, We sit back, grab intelligent players that make others better. FS, ILB, and C. OT scares me more that Edge if we do this--but for those screaming for an edge--we have edge players--2 with starting experience who have had some degree of success. JC Davis can play either T spot and he is good at pass blocking--a bit raw--but could be developmental depth that could play in a pinch. Or you could draft a solid OT with shorter arms that are driving them down into day 3--and convert them to G or C later. Nijman and BC being re-signed could provide enough to hold down the job until a developmental OT (World, Oregon?) prepares for a shot at it. Wagner (ND) could play LT but is probably a future RT--he is expected to be drafted early day 3. My favorite day 3 OT sleeper? Keagan Trost, Missouri. Great run blocker, soild pass blocker in SEC--just shorter arms. Maybe a guard down the road, but for the time being, a T. Not ideal, but at least you are building for the future.

I'm not like most people in this thread in regards to Love. I'm not like most in regards to RBs either. I think certain ones will always be drafted in the first round because they are valued that highly. From an on-the-field perspective, they are as valued as ever; business-wise and contract-wise at times to re-up, that's where things can get tricky with valuation. That being said, Love oozes potential and makes higher-ups' mouths water. I know that he if somehow he is available at 19, he will be considered if not taken. You don't leave that type of talent on the board unless there is another compelling player of arguably equal or more value at another position of need that may have a higher priority (like maybe Sonny Styles). Now all that being said, I don't realistically see either one of them being there at 19 according to the draftniks.

We'll see. Literally no one would've pegged Tom Brady as generational. Caleb Downs is the best safety prospect I've seen in... well, probably a generation.

I know D'angelo Ponds is shorter than Bryce but give me him in the 2nd round as an elite nickel corner. He had the highest vertical jump among CBs in the combine and plays much bigger than his size. Watch his tape he is an elite cornerback even at 5'8.

Folks fall in love with Combine warriors. There's not a generational player in this draft.

I think you've nailed what we need right here. Rodriguez and Thieneman would be my choices, Thieneman in the first and Rodriguez in the second. Let everyone else eat up their picks on the crop of WRs and linemen. Then make a push in free agency for the top center.

Vernon Gholston vibes? had 14 sacks at Ohio State in 2007; 45 games in the NFL: 0 sacks.

I want a high impact player, but a true FS who could qb the secondary might be more effective than we realize. I don't think Moehrig is that guy (I think he is overpaid, however). I want a flashy, high impact player, but we could use defensive qbs at ILB and FS. By upgrading skill AND adding vision and leadership, could we get better than if we added an edge or OT? I am not sure that I believe this myself, but I try to look at things from all perspectives. Here is some devil's advocacy stuff: 1. EDGE-We are freaking out about the pressure we put on the qb from the edge position. However, Jones II and Wonnum missed a total of 22 games. Scourton was a rookie and Princely was a third rounder. Wharton sucked (not sure if he was used properly--a hybrid who can rush from the 5 tech or 3, etc), and this put more pressure on Scourton and the other edge players. This year, we get Jones II, Scourton should continue to evolve with Princely. Perhaps another rookie is not what we need. Maybe a veteran situational pass rusher. 2. OFFENSIVE TACKLE: Of course, we need an OT, but the draft is loaded with OTs that can pass block but struggle in run blocking--so a rookie at LT might not be the answer for a team that wants to run first. What to do? I am not sure. I see Nijman returning after testing the market, but who knows? 3. INSIDE LB: A huge need, regardless of how you spin it. However, I see a few free agents who would be solid here, and I see the second round having a few ILBs with starting potential. I do not see an ILB worth the first round pick unless a freak falls to us. 4. With veteran defensive backs, a young, intelligent FS could fit in nicely. Intelligence is key--like the way Luke made the front 7 better. "A good, intelligent free safety (FS) acts as the "quarterback of the defense" transforming a unit from good to great by acting as the last line of defense, communicating pre-snap adjustments, and anticipating plays before they happen. By reading the quarterback's eyes and diagnosing offensive schemes, an intelligent FS acts as a "centerfielder" who can neutralize deep threats and mitigate errors made by cornerbacks or linebackers."

He's not generational. He's just athletic. He was good in college but so we're others.

I've been confused for awhile why this guy is being considered a mid-round pick by virtually everyone. His measurables with 17 sacks over the past two seasons (8.5 in each) usually puts you at least in 1st round considerations and pretty much a lock to go in the 2nd.

Rich Eisen said he's never in his 22-years at the Combine seen a prospect like Sonny Styles. Also Bailey ran a 4.5 flat. So my early two draft crushes are crushing the Combine and are now completely out of the Panthers reach. Bailey might be a top 5 pick now. Styles won't drop past the top 10.

Nothing against it other than meh feeling. If it’s best for the team it’s the rational and correct approach. No disputing that.

"Making" the playoffs. It felt more like a participation trophy. If the NFL went away from the stupid division winners automatic bid and went strictly by best records (like most sports), the Panthers wouldn't have sniffed the playoffs in that scenario.

You've still got to have a bench play 20-25 minutes a night, but by statistics, yes it's the best 5 man lineup in the NBA by net this season. They have games against Boston x3, NY, Minnesota, Detroit, SA, Orlando, Phx, and Miami x2 in the last 22 games. Projected losses vs Boston 3x, NY, Minnesota, Detroit and SA. That's it, that's the 7 games they are expected to lose the rest of the season. They are favorites against Orlando, Miami and Phoenix.

Hey I'm a draft guy I only post usually on the huddle when it's draft season combine numbers metrics and talent excite me. So forgive me for challenging your draft thoughts I like the conversation.

Hey I'm a draft guy I only post usually on the huddle when it's draft season combine numbers metrics and talent excite me. So forgive me for challenging your draft thoughts I like the conversation.

I think that goes both ways ask how many wins CMC added to the 49ers or if they even have an offense without him. That said I think love is more gifted than CMC in every aspect except catching the football.

I agree. That's what I'm hearing and seeing when I watch his clips the way he moves is Reggie bush like. He's a difference maker athletically. We don't have anyone like that on our roster offensively that just moves like an elite change of direction speed type. He's a first rounder for that reason. Now if everyone is saying he's a first rounder based on talent, we aren't bringing back dowdle, we don't know what we have in brooks or if he will be the same when he returns, Chubba is a fine back let's not act like he does anything at an elite level. He's not super fast break away speed or power change of direction. How would love not even be considered?

My goal in life, find a cozy retirement job where I collect thousands just for consulting for an hour or two per week.

Ashawn is solid but for 12m a year we can find similar production for much less. If we can't find a trade partner, I'd be open to bringing him back at a much lower number but me personally I wanna see more reps for Bobby Brown and Cam Jackson. It is what it is with Tershawn Wharton that was a massive overpay by Morgan and Brandt but his contract is structed to where we can get out pretty clean next offseason so at least let's give him this year to see if he can turn it around.

I just want a legitimate backup in there who can at least add put some pressure on Bryce to not take it for granted that he's the starter no matter what.