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“99% sure” isn’t completely writing him off? splitting hairs don’t you think? sounds more like you’re being passive aggressive, and keeping that one little percent around just in case, so you don’t have to say you were wrong. speaking of icing up, son… LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL how’s that? amidoinitrite?

Colorado was a team that won 1 WHOLE game the year prior and brought in a new coach with a bunch of transfers the next year. Anybody could clearly see they overachieved last year just winning 4 games, the expectations were just mixed in with the Deion hype. That team wasnt ready to compete for real clear. Also that offensive line was one of the worst in college easily so what the hell are you talking about shaduer did them no favors? Please spare me with all this....that team was a work in progress and Deion said that himself. The other guys already had complete teams built around them.

what stats? i said “i’d say”. even during Cams MVP season you had several posters here say they don’t trust him to keep it going or that his showboating was gonna doom him in the playoffs. There are just a lot of negative Panthers fans in existence

that video/analysis did bryce and his supporters no favors, but anyone with a brain can see his bunny rabbit hops and long slow drop backs are a huge issue

video also says QB Bryce was horrible pre snap and post snap. That's how you make whatever your OL is......look way worse. And he wasn't good at that at Bama either per the guy in the video. He also spoke about how Bryce's size forces him too far back in the pocket. Which is going to screw up pass pro.

If you watched the video, they discussed how Bryce was constantly in retreat on his drops. I bet the "time to throw" stats would look a lot different if he didn't retreat. We all watched last year. If you want to argue our IOL play was average, go right ahead. I wont be joining you.

That's why I rarely read what anyone else says on threads like these. Opinions aren't really going to change in the offseason, only once actual football is being played. I don't envy anyone having to watch last season's tape, however. So many things went wrong that even just getting a realistic opportunity to succeed for anyone was too few and far between.

bryce up son and our franchise got duped by a kid that never took snaps from under center in college, how the fug does that happen?

stats and logical fallacies are fun to make up

Go back and read. I said I'm not completely writing him off. But yeah, at this point I'd honestly be borderline shocked if he works out. You're the one who acted like a condescending douche while failing at reading comprehension. Don't get butthurt about it. Ice up son.

well, I was assuming in this scenario Bryce was healthy. I mean, yeah, I wouldn't pick the top 16 O and it was Dalton that drove the bus. QB is the most important. Tough to get to get to a top 16 O without Bryce playing pretty well in year 2. I mean, unless our run game just is top of the league and can get us there with no pass game to back off a D.

1. Week to week improvement on offense and play calling. One more screen on 3rd down I might actually die. 2. Better Oline play (can't be much worse). 3. Consistent decent to good play from Bryce Young The rookies Either Mingo, Tremble , or Terrance Marshall Jr. (any one of them).

Sanders played last season with his personal stat line in mind. And did his OL no favors even if you want to call them trash. And I think you can legitimately question his DNA as a leader present day. Penix and Nix both played big boy college football....and won. Sanders won 4 games at Colorado and is on 6 game losing stretch.

please explain the difference between saying you aren’t writing someone off, but then also saying you don’t think he’s good enough. sounds like pretty much like the same damn thing to me. oh sorry, forgot to add the LOL, because being a condescending douche is a requirement on todays huddle.

Some of the huddlers here will only be happy with Patrick Mahomes as our QB. They would legit complain if we had Josh Allen and pine for an upgrade. They won't admit it but they know who they are Listen, we've been a franchise for almost 30 years, and not once did most Panther fans like the quarterback we have. Cam reached I'd say an 80% approval rate in 2015, but it was back to being in the 50's following the SB. "We will never win anything with Cam as our QB" was a strong narrative on here after the SB.

Fair point. We could have the 16th ranked offense with Bryce playing well. What if he is injured in that scenario. I’d still rather have an answer at QB and HC.

I don't care about wins or losses or stats. I want to see visible improvements in BY's ability as QB at the NFL level.

Lmao just because someone disagrees with you doesn’t mean theres a personal vendetta bro

I get all that personal vendetta you have against him but thats not how this works. Teams will look whether further than all the stuff you just said....plus he has whole new year of evaluation to determine his status. Highlighting all the negative themes and ignoring the positive isnt gonna get him passed up. He has already shown an elite skillset and if shows even more improvement this year he will be the first pick. If guys like penix and nix can go top 15 sanders will definitley go hire no matter how much people dont like him.

Did you figure that one out all by yourself? LOL

Nicely explained.

can't edit, but details here https://www.profootballrumors.com/

then you’re 99% writing him off.

Same. Bryce just needs to get better and he needs to manage this offense effectively do that it can be top half of the league. I don't care about what his stats look like, tbh. More TDs than INTs (I'd honestly be thrilled with a 2:1 ratio), less sacks, low fumbles.