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I don’t see what would make him so good with Bryce to be honest, that we aren’t covering now with Tet and Coker. We need a Smitty type. Easier said than done but those smoke screens and stuff, with two Moose types for people to worry about, seems better to me. A little guy with supreme quickness, that will fight for a ball thrown to him. Smitty was a very rare specimen. But try and get close. I think looking for straight up speed to go downfield, can’t really use it with Bryce. I feel like a speed demon would just outrun Bryce’s ball and have to coast on his deep routes to stay within range. You need a QB that will launch it 50-60 yards so he can turn on the afterburners and go.

I still can't believe Harbaugh took the Giants job knowing the Bills job was going to open up with anything less than a Super Bowl run by McDermott. Now he's stuck with basically the white Lamar Jackson, on and off the field, a RB who will be in the WWE in 2 years, and Malik Nabers who will want to be traded by the end of next year. Not to mention that division is an absolute gauntlet. Stefanski to the Falcons, unfortunately for us, is a great hire. He will see what a bum Penix is, make Cousins the starter and they will run away with the division for the next 2-3 years. The rest of the jobs are great opportunities to get a guaranteed $30-$50M depending on who you are and where you go, but there isn't a single job out there where you are going to win immediately other than Buffalo (where you have to deal with a front office undermining you) and Baltimore (where your QB purposely sounds like he has a mouth full of marbles and dresses like he's in a Bobby Shmurda video).

Folks complained quite frequently when DJ Moore was here that he was not a #1 and never would be. That was when he was still on a rookie contract and then briefly on the new deal we signed him to which now looks like an absolute steal compared to his current contract. If he were here now making what he's making we would never hear the end of it. Gotta turn the page.

I didn’t remember that. But extending the opportunity is the goal. If people reject the opportunity, that shouldn’t really be on the team. Now I can also see how that could be gamed by sending them to people you know aren’t interested, but they game it now from the other direction with interviewing people when they already have their minds made up as to who they want. Sending the invites to people no one has ever heard of, lower level guys not coordinators, that just seems like a front too. In the ultra rare ‘never happened before’ situation that just somehow happened, there could be a provision in place. Pretty simple to do I would think. After this discussion I would laugh pretty hard if it ever did happen.

Wrong thread.

Tomlinson was a dog. I think CMC is one of the best to ever play as a swiss army knife type of weapon. In terms of pure punishing bruising runner he cannot hold Tomlinson's jock. LT was a literal Ironman. 9 years with the Chargers never played less than 14 games in a season. Missed 3 games total. 12,490 yards. 138 touchdowns. That's an MVP candidate. Since 2020 CMC has missed 57 games. Fifty seven. You can't be the most valuable from the bench brother.

I never buy until that. The list of sub 5-10 NFL RB's is long. He is bulky enough but I think he just habitually overtrains and he gets a ton of mileage. That's my theory.

They aren't truly better post trade. Stafford was traded after the 2020 season. Dan Campbell became head coach the next year, Ben Johnson elevated to OC the year after that. That's why they were "better" post trade, until Johnson left. With those two calling the shots, and Matthew Stafford, the Lions would have at least one Super Bowl this decade. Also, Jamhyr Gibbs, Sam LaPorta, Amon St Brown, Jameson Williams, and David Montgomery were all added post trade, which would've given Stafford more talent than he was ever surrounded by in Detroit. With respect to Megatron.

Like we sent out a legit request to Ryans. He turned us down. He was a top coaching candidate that turned us down. I think that meets the standard. Bringing someone else in who isn't up to that standard just to mark a checklist is a bit insulting I would think.

Good for the Rams but the Lions weren't going anywhere with him. They're better off after that trade than they were with him.

Well he's not going to win MVP. Maybe he wins 1 of the other awards, or maybe both, or none. I do think it says something that he is up for a reward that is almost exclusively reserved for qbs. The last non-qb was Tomlinson, maybe Peterson, or Alexander maybe?

It's all about RBA outcoaching Paul Maurice, and I don't see that happening.

Of all the trucks we saw Cam do, that was one of the least memorable when I think of him running over someone.

2 former Panthers, and Stafford, who should've been a Panther if our front office wasn't clueless.

He may have wanted out but it wasn’t anywhere but here. Felt like once SF was possible it was 100% leave. He was never my favorite player to be honest. I didn’t care that much. I am 100% anti RBs before the 3rd anyway. Don’t care how good they are. Get the OL right and there are 20 backs a year or more coming out that can produce for you. I wanted Kamara later. Like, 3rd or 4th and he went in the 3rd. Pretty sure. Unless I’m mistaken he out produced CMC that first season and had excellent production for his entire rookie deal. Now with junior at QB, CMC would probably have torn it up. With Cam you didn’t need that.

Exactly. If you ever thought we'd see a replay of the downfall of Aanti Raanta, we're witnessing it now. Tulsky should have been looking for a goalie for 2 months now, and send Freddie down to Chicago. The Canes have 6 more b2b situations coming.

You know who is the best!

I can't read 12 pages of this but I'll just say this. CJ has the physical traits we wish Bryce had. But Bryce is mentally tougher and will continue to be a starter in this league while CJ seems mentally cooked and may never recover. He's been chasing his rookie form for two years now.

Don’t know if it’s to that level yet but is definitely concerning. We have no word on how Horn is doing either. Hard to be an optimist around that. Seems like they become more frequent and pretty soon you are not long for the field of play.

Sounds like a plan to me.

And you yours.

This thread should've ended here. Anyone who thinks CMC wanted to be here, PM me for information on a dirt-cheap beach house I have for sale in Omaha.

I love what he did, but we won't be able to keep him after next year. The fact that Horn doesn't get targeted very often tells you who the opposition gameplans around.

I mean he's like a soccer player playing running back. I know he put on some muscle but still, he's a small guy. Mazda Miata in a destruction derby was how Rivera used him.

He head a great year, but he turns 30 next year. He also played in a mostly zone scheme on the opposite side of the field from Horn. I remember Evero mentioning he doesn't use Horn in man as much because he needs him to cover a large portion of the field while the others handle the rest. As long as we have this much money tied up in Horn, I don't think you can spend too much on the other CB. Hell I like what I saw from Thornton in his limited snaps.