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This just fuging infuriates me. This is why Dave sucks and we will lose Rico in the offseason. What a terrible coach. The players see it. The fans see it. The media sees it. The announcers see it. Only one they doesn’t is Canalas. fuging idiot.

Yes he is. You listen to his game plan for 49ers? Bryce had one great passing game…so we wanted to build on that…by only running it 6 times with the best offense player…who was the big reason they are even 6-6. Pass play from the 1. Run it with Rico TD. Made an extra point, took the extra point off the board to pass it on the 1. Dumb ass Dave overthinks everything versus the simple most effective play and that’s running it with Rico. Dave is a huge problem and keeps going back to being pass happy on a run first team.

Is Sellars not coming out this year? If not, sign Lance and draft Mendoza. See if the Browns would trade Shedeur.

I wouldn't touch any QB in this upcoming draft class. It's just not a good class, IMO. I expect Bryce to go into next season as the starter, but they will bring in veteran competition. - Jameis Winston (under contract through next season) - Mac Jones (under contract through next season) - Will Levis (under contract through next season) - Joe Flacco (FA) - Carson Wentz (FA) - Malik Willis (FA) - Sam Howell (FA)

Dave can leave with Bryce for all I care. Morgan too. But Bryce as the starting QB has to be a no go going forward.

We weren't outbid for Luvu. He left for less money than we offered because he hated Evero's scheme. He wanted out of here. I thought the shout out to Charlotte and the fans(that's how i took it) was classy though.

I wouldn't, but I also wouldn't be surprised if they do.

because why would you want 2026 to be a camp battle of Bryce Young vs someone else? no team goes out and finds a new starter, and then moves a Bryce Young to backup. It's locker room dynamics and in house problems. Bryce literally was brought in to be the franchise QB and is wearing the C patch presently.

I get what you're saying. Changing the coach doesn't solve the biggest, or in this case, littlest, problem. No coach is succeeding with Bryce as his QB. Whatever it takes to get Bryce out of the building is what it takes. If DC has to go to get Bryce out of the building, here's a gift card to Uhaul, because ultimately, that's what's best for the team and the team is what matters most.

It creates a tenuous environment. Its only happened once to my knowledge

Explain this to me. Why wouldnt they just let him play out the contract?

pretty sure he only did it once time in his career.....and that was when the local boy was in Charlotte as a nod of respect to his childhood QB.

Is that not exactly the kind of thinking that got us here in the first place?

I'm all for looking to upgrade, but if you think we're going to do it without taking any risk you're wrong. I'd be all for signing Jameis Winston in the offseason, but Mac Jones is another option that should at least be considered. Will Levis is another, younger option that still has some upside. I don't hate the idea of him in Canales' offense.

The whole “Tepper overruled the staff for Bryce over Stroud” is nothing more than delusional fan created bullshit. Circumstances have made Bryce the only choice this far. This will be the last year with Bryce Young as your starter barring a deep playoff run.

Rico is next.

Brees is a future HOF QB. Young is a future back-up.

More...we still have a Tepper problem.

Lol Brady and Rhule needed to be fired. You can't demote someone and he wasn't ready. I did catch poo for saying he needed more time and wasn't ready then but could be good if not in a setup built to fail. I even daid under a good coach he could end up being good. Hate to keep telling you but DC is a supporter. You keep ignoring that. Your wrong and keep ignoring he just called a game that proves Im right about that. I get you blame DC for some things and I can agree with you about a lot except he isn't still a supporter and backer thus part of the problem. Again I completely agree about the last part. The fact you can't see DC as being a backer or supporter is what I disagree with. It's obvious at this point and it's been proved yet you still ignore that one fact.

To be fair, If and only if, he has finally learned from his mistakes and was man enough to admit he dropped the ball by not letting Rico spin. Then I am ok. At least he acknowledged his shortcomings and recognizes the problems that’s half the battle. so as mad as I am bc we could have beat them on the road on Monday night football just by sticking to what we do best. I can let this one go for now Dave. Do better or we’re calling for you and Bryce to find a new gig he better trust his run game against the rams. Bc if it stays in Staffords hands and with a depleted defense we will get wholly whooped on national television again. And it’s safe to say most of us will be done

I just keep the main thing the main thing. The equivalent here would be you raging about Joe Brady needing to be fired. Me saying, Matt Rhule is the issue and firing Joe Brady doesn't address the biggest issue at hand and won't actually matter. Which is a dance I did then too. You then call me a Joe Brady apologist because I wouldn't get away from Matt Rhule being THE problem. the main problem is Bryce Young and his supporters in the front office. Until that changes, nothing matters. Canales being a weak OC in over his head? Time and a place. You can go check my threads from preseason where I blasted amateur hour Canales for not calling plays. He needed work because he isn't good. But that's not the biggest issue we got. Like I said, nothing really matters big picture until Bryce Young and his backers address THE problem. Which is the QB. I have gone into painful detail about the entire Dave scheme is dependent on a QB bailing out a meh scheme and approach. I didn't want Dave. Dave is Foxball in reality. Which is what Pete did in Seattle in reality. It's the same approach and it needs a QB to bail it out. You want me to bash stuff I addressed long ago. I'm no Dave fan. But the biggest issue for the Carolina Panthers is Bryce. I want the outcome that leads to Bryce Young not being retained. That's what is best for the Carolina Panthers. You want 2 more pointless wins notched onto a meaningless season if it means just another completely pointless season tied to Bryce? Not me.

Canales comes across as this uber positive, cheerleader guy, but he does seem like he can make a cold decision when needed (see: Bryce benching, calling out Coker, a few others). Something about him makes me feel like he's a bit sneaky with how he can get. He's the type where I think if he's just in a room with Tepper, he'll let it out about what he thinks to save his ass. And even with the wins, I just don't see much camaraderie between Canales & Young. They don't reference each other in the usual QB-HC tone/dynamic in pressers and games. It seems like Bryce is still trying to prove himself and Dave is still just not impressed, trying to figure out what even works with the kid. My gut says he won't be shy to explain to Morgan and Tepper what he needs to succeed. And that doesn't include Bryce. Barring some epic turnaround, the book is close to being written. He will have more leverage. If he's gifted a 3rd season, I highly doubt he's going to look and say, yep, let's just try it again with Bryce. That isn't happening.

Underrated part of all of this. Feel like it was Kaye that reported that NOBODY wanted to touch this job, so we had to go with someone not really even getting interviews/hire someone too early. A. Tepper is dumb to have not listened to Harbaugh if it's true he wanted to be here, since that was the only name I remember being *potentially* tied to us B. You can cycle through QBs every single year. You can't do that with coaches and expect to hire anybody worth a poo. Even if Canales sucks, optically we almost have to give him 3 years minimum to prove we're a serious team for once and not scare anyone else off.