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Wagner played both sides, i believe, but settled in at RT. I'll take the RT that can play both sides if the play on the right side is on par with a couple other guys in question. That's the tie breaker.
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It's why I hated the Butler and Shaq picks. When we made those picks, DT and LB were probably our strongest position groups and we looked past huge needs to make luxury picks for depth and future development. Now if we'd drafted guys who developed into perennial All Pros, all good. But that's kinda what you need to justify those types of luxury picks. Some would argue that Shaq justified it. I wouldn't. Just because we ended up paying him like an All Pro doesn't mean he was an All Pro (note: he wasn't). Butler was an outright bust which makes it a really tough pill to swallow for a luxury pick.
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At #19, you get a fringe starter, so I guess Dave and Dan are moving up?
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like duh. no team drafts for depth in the 1st round Joe Person "Water is wet"
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That's sad
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The more I research this draft, the more I think this: All of the tackles are developmental. I think, if you have a proven veteran at LT and a solid player (with a knee at 32?) at RT, you go ahead and draft players who might be a year away. They can serve as depth while working for a shot to start. In my opinion, based on the sites I rely on for draft info--there are players who could fall to day 3 who have issues to work out but have demonstrated success on the college level. Here are the OTs I am watching: Jude Bowery, BC. Aamil Wagner, ND Isiah World, Ore D. Crownover, TexAM Isaiah Jatta, BYU (I really like the first two)
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I get it. When you have obvious pressing needs you're ideally looking for a starter at #19. Obviously you draft for depth later in the draft but you want early impact out of your early picks. The context of that quote was the 19th overall pick. The other thing to note is that this is also peak lying season. You don't want to telegraph your intentions. Even if we were seriously considering or even targeting OT at 19 the smart move would be to downplay it. Virtually everyone expected us to go pass rusher in the 1st last year and lo and behold we go WR which very few people were talking about as a legit possibility.
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Panthers draft outlook featuring Joe Person
jfra78 replied to TheSpecialJuan's topic in Carolina Panthers
So we aren't drafting Sadiq -
Only if it's a starter
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BPA is the pick.
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Panthers draft outlook featuring Joe Person
45catfan replied to TheSpecialJuan's topic in Carolina Panthers
They aren't, but Sadiq is overrated. We don't use TEs that much anyway. It's a bad return on the investment at #19. I'm hoping another team has a crush on him ahead of us and I don't have to worry about it. - Today
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Yeah, 20 wins for a UNC level program is not a good season. And when a number like that is so cherry picked it makes me go looking. Roy only won 19 games his first season but then proceeded to win 30+ in four of the next five. Hubert never won 30+. Schemer only has four seasons completed and will almost certainly win 20+ next season likely with an overall winning percentage significantly above Hubert's. Schemer just has to figure out how to close the deal in the big dance but it's hard with a revolving door of ine and doners. Yeah, those kids are super talented but they're still freshmen and are prone to doing dumb poo when the pressure gets dialed up to 11. Always been the case, always will be. We can go back to our '93 title as a perfect example. Michigan's Fab 5 with a super talented freshman dominated team and the best of the bunch cranks in crunch time first with an uncalled obvious travel, then the infamous timeout with no timeouts remaining. Freshmen gonna freshman.
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Is tackle out the window at 19?
SmokinwithWilly replied to micnificent28's topic in Carolina Panthers
I don't believe in hiring coaches that don't get an interview request from another team but it is what it is. -
micnificent28 started following Is tackle out the window at 19?
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According to Joe person's latest conversation with canales that looks like it could be the case unless you believe we sound Walker as a backup which I doubt he would agree to?
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Panthers draft outlook featuring Joe Person
Tr3ach replied to TheSpecialJuan's topic in Carolina Panthers
I get what youre saying but also maybe they werent targeted that much because they aren't that great. -
It’s a weird thing to hang your hat on. Like one year he had 20+ wins and missed the NCAA tournament. Are we to believe that is a successful season? Roy Williams made 5 tourneys, had 3 ACC season championships, 2 ACC Tourney championships, 2 Final Fours, 1 NCAA Championship, then added another NCAA championship year 6. Hubert is barely making the tourney and losing in the first round when he does. They aren’t even in the same universe. His only good run was with Roy Williams’ players. Borderline t25 to unranked program is not the Carolina standard. And that 5 season 20 win record won’t even last a year since Scheyer is about to head into his 5th season and will almost certainly have 20+ wins again.
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A Zietlow (observer) 3 centers to consider for draft
45catfan replied to raleigh-panther's topic in Carolina Panthers
Rounds 4-5 for center. There's no dominant guy for an early selection, but a good group of solid guys later on. Be patient. -
The article talks about that some. Last time the NFL didn’t start looking for/training refs until July. NFL is admitting that mistake and starting the process sooner this time.
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A Zietlow (observer) 3 centers to consider for draft
MHS831 replied to raleigh-panther's topic in Carolina Panthers
I gotta say, I am not happy about the idea of drafting a guard/center in round 2--I am about 54.4% sure we will be drafting a LB then, but the player is solid. -
Panthers draft outlook featuring Joe Person
45catfan replied to TheSpecialJuan's topic in Carolina Panthers
Sure, let's use our first round pick on a position that we targeted a little more than 5 times a game last year with a 4 catch per contest average. That's so much more efficient than a 3 down LB or 2/3 down DL or even a pass rush specialist EDGE. I mean, even a nickle corner would be more useful. RAS goggles in full effect. Our front office probably puts RAS scores on the War Room wall like we used to put up posters of scantily clad swimsuit models back when we were teenagers. Maybe even with the lotion and tissue near by too. I'm old enough to remember when Kyle Pitts was going to completely redefine the TE position forever. How has that worked out? -
We might have replacement refs again…
Candler Cat replied to WUnderhill's topic in Carolina Panthers
Exactly This is most likely a pressure move by the league -
A Zietlow (observer) 3 centers to consider for draft
Khyber53 replied to raleigh-panther's topic in Carolina Panthers
Grab the smartest of the bunch and lock down your o-line for the next decade. Slaughter would be my choice since he has the most experience at the highest level in the position. Schrauth has leadership experience, though, and that sure could be a help. -
When you analyze what Tulsky has done the only positive was getting Ehlers, he blew the Gentzel signing, whiffed on Rantanan, signed Miller who is a terrible fit, never addressed the goalie problem, signing a declining Freddie instead, and wasted a ton of cap space this year with inaction. My verdict is he might be great at analytics but sucks as a general manager.
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If you think the refs we have are bad, you probably don't remember just how bad it got the last time they used replacement refs... including an incident of a Packers fan ref massively influencing a game. The NFL, when you consider all the other things tied to it like TV rights, betting, stadiums (construction, ticket prices, heck even parking and concessions), plus merchandizing, is probably a trillion dollar industry. Give the refs what they want, pay them and let's get back to having games.
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General Offseason Chat/News (& AI slop postings)
MHS831 replied to Bear Hands's topic in Carolina Panthers
Probably. You never know. It always amazes me to think how many times they miss on first rounders (about 50%) and the number of misses increases every round. Then there are UDFAs that make the team every year. I guess we are always looking for the next gem--but most never make it. Funny, I was at dinner last night and there was this big guy with a WCU shirt on. I recognized him--that OT from Western that we gave a tryout last year or the year before--Smith. He explained his experience--just wanted to see how he could hold up against the big boys. He played a preseason game and was terrible, fwiw.
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