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The Ringer NFC Offseason podcast
mrcompletely11 replied to mrcompletely11's topic in Carolina Panthers
nah, these dudes examine it a bit different, again feel free to listen and dispute what they say. They have some good metrics and analysis both ways. -
Everything on all sides has been said a thousand times over and engaging with you about it in the past was more pointless than shouting into the wind. I’m good.
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The division is most certainly wide open. The Bucs are a problem but Baker Mayfield is and will remain his own worst enemy it's a matter of when not if he has a bad game or even a stretch of bad games. As far as the Panthers they have done an admirable job of trying to address needs as best they can without pulling a Scott Fitterer and getting desperate which has only made us worse off in the past. On the Bryce subject all anyone can really say at this point is we just have to wait and see. This is the year and despite what the Panthers may say publicly doubling down and going all in on WR is as good as any sign anyone should need that they expect Bryce Young to have a very productive and convincing season. The pieces are in place. They aren't perfect but nothing ever will be. Regardless there's honestly no excuse for this staff and this team not to be able to compete in this iteration of the NFC South. Also just want to say this because I can say the hyper defensive posts already being made in here and it's probably going to be a season with highs and lows again but hopefully more highs for sure. But just because there is dialogue about a position group or a player that challenges your preconceived notions or makes you uncomfortable does not make it "hate" or "anti" this player or that player. For some people who talk a lot about nuance you would think this wouldn't need to be stated but that's where we're at.
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If I was a coach I would preach "Don't let the refs decide the game" because as soon as you let the NFL the chance to help their bottom dollar whether it be teams that make most money or gambling then they will screw the team that doesn't fit their bottom line......is it rigged? No but do they try and make certain narratives happen abso-freakin-lutley. As I stated in a previous thread NFL players are the ones that SHOULD have all guaranteed contracts but the boot lickers on this forum disagree and argue for the billionaires in this world who own these teams, sheep
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I wont go quite so far as to say games are rigged. You wouldnt have to work hard to convince me there was the occasional thumb on the scale but outright rigged? nah. but collusion on the rest of the "business" of football, sure. No one really believes that the only time the 32 owners act as one is during the negotiations of the CBA do they?
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The games, seasons, storylines, etc. are 100% influenced or pushed to go a certain way. There are too many instances of a game being decided by a "bad call" like roughing the passer or pass interference. Too many ambiguous calls on things like; - whats a catch? - was it a late hit? - was it pass intereferance? - was the ball place properly on the correct spot? etc, etc, etc....this could go on forever. Too easy to throw a flag when the game isnt going the way it should and make up some subjective, bullshit penalty. And they have to take money on the side, how could you not? There is too much money in Vegas to not try to dictate how the games are going to go. Business is too big now to not make sure things go the way you want it, you dont leave a 24 BILLION in revenue up to chance lol.
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The Ringer NFC Offseason podcast
mrcompletely11 replied to mrcompletely11's topic in Carolina Panthers
Feel free to listen and dispute what they say -
Rumor. Canes trading for Tomas Hertl
PNW_PantherMan replied to Panthers Fan 69's topic in Carolina Hurricanes
Either that or they're not feeling solid about acquiring Marner. -
Rumor. Canes trading for Tomas Hertl
carpanfan96 replied to Panthers Fan 69's topic in Carolina Hurricanes
It was purely a salary dump with the biggest piece going to Vegas was a 3rd. Seems dead for now though. Dunno if Hertl vetod the trade with his move clause or not. -
Rumor. Canes trading for Tomas Hertl
PNW_PantherMan replied to Panthers Fan 69's topic in Carolina Hurricanes
Not against a deal for Hertl. The contract length gives me some pause, but ~6.5MM AAV (after SJ retained %) probably isn't a big deal if we have some dead years at the end of that. But yeah, could potentially be another KK situation where we have a useless player stuck on our payroll if he falls off a cliff. If this is purely a salary dump and nothing of value goes the other way, I think it's probably worth that risk. -
Rumor. Canes trading for Tomas Hertl
PNW_PantherMan replied to Panthers Fan 69's topic in Carolina Hurricanes
Short term would almost make Marner more appealing for me if I'm the Canes GM. If it doesn't work out, you're not stuck with some albatross contract. If it does workout, nobody's gonna be mad about winning a cup. Everyone loses pieces when that happens. -
Rumor. Canes trading for Tomas Hertl
PNW_PantherMan replied to Panthers Fan 69's topic in Carolina Hurricanes
True but he wouldn't be the first physical C that falls off in his early 30's. Look at David Backes. https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/b/backeda01.html -
I haven’t listened, but based on who is posting this you just know it’s gonna be scratching his anti-Bryce itch. Can’t wait for the season.
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The Ringer NFC Offseason podcast
PanthersNCSU replied to mrcompletely11's topic in Carolina Panthers
Like the show and will listen, but Steven Ruiz is awful to listen to. He's a Panthers fan which makes it worse. I don't expect Bryce to have glowing reviews, but to have him ranked 34th last season behind some miserable options, and his rankings in general...yeesh. -
The Ringer NFC Offseason podcast
mrcompletely11 replied to mrcompletely11's topic in Carolina Panthers
looks like the same, these guys do a good job with the analytics and metrics -
Witnessing and FEELING the NFL bend us over and grab our ankles in Super Bowl 50 in real-time… that was the turning point for me. I have not viewed the NFL, or pro sports for that matter, the same, ever since. Look at the NBA. You’re talking about astronomical odds for the #1 pick on the teams in the back-end of it. The Mavericks mysteriously and inexplicably out of nowhere trade their franchise players - one of the biggest stars in the league, and an international superstar… and of all places, to the LA Lakers, with LeBron. They get back an oft-injured Anthony Davis. Their team, including Davis, end up getting injured to the point they barely have enough healthy players to play games as the year goes on. Their GM takes a ton of heat and never really offers a reasonable, not plausible explanation as to why they did the trade in the first place. He also states that they never took any calls from any other teams, they never fielded any other offers for Luka, and they didn’t even take the offer elsewhere to see what other teams offered. Absolutely no due diligence. Now ask yourself, why would a team do that? Not just in sports, why would any business do such a thing? Not maximizing your return? Not doing due diligence? Fast forward a couple months… the GM has been lambasted, ridiculed, and belittled the entire time since. The lottery comes around, and the Mavs, who were just in the NBA Finals the year before, barely miss the playoffs due to all of their injuries. Davis, Kyrie Irving, etc., all their best players were injured. They had the smallest mathematical chance at getting the #1 pick. Guess who got the #1 pick? The Mavericks. So this plays out like the NBA asked the Mavs to do them a solid. One of their blue-blood, prestigious, big market franchises needed a bump with LeBron getting older. LA throws together a garbage package, sending them an aging star and some garbage picks for one of the biggest stars and historically one of the most incredible offensive players in NBA history, and the NBA ensures the Mavs will beat powerball odds and get the #1 pick, when it just so happens that Cooper Flagg, projected to be a generational talent, is coming out in the draft. You scratch our back, we’ll scratch yours. Also, who got the #2 pick? The Spurs. A year after obtaining the #1 pick to acquire another touted generational talent in Wembanyama, after a 20+ year run as one of the most successful NBA dynasties in history. They suddenly have their first bad year, get the #1 pick ahead of us, the Hornets (after wallowing in mediocrity for decades), and get Wemby, and now get the #2 pick the following year. There was talk here earlier in the offseason about things lining up for us to go to the Super Bowl this year, and at the time, I half jokingly said I could see it, as the patsy for Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson’s redemption arc. Again, after all of the poo that happened in Super Bowl 50, then watching the refs stand by idly over the next two years while week after week our opponents took cheap shot after illegal cheap shot on our once-in-a-lifetime talent in Cam Newton… that poo took a lot of the heart out of it for me. I’ve said for years, if big money involved, corruption is inherent. There’s no way around it. I’ve accepted that every professional sport is influenced by the money. And storylines bring big money. It has become purely entertainment with a small pinch of competition. At least the WWE tells you exactly what they are, and thus, you can enjoy it for what it is. The NFL and NBA specifically, specialize in crushing the hearts of fans who believe it’s still real and untainted. fug Goodell and Silver.
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ESPN's All Quarter Century Team 2000-2025
HaricotVert replied to amcoolio's topic in Carolina Panthers
When you factor in Fox and Jake (love ya Jake but lets be real) Smitty deserves credit beyond the stats. I know I said CMCs inclusion was all ifs and promises That not withstanding Smith is top 4 in yards among his peers (2000-2014) Top 5 in receptions in that same time frame Only triple crown winner Didnt have Young, Romo, Warner, Manning, Brady slinging him the ball Dunno if he is top 3 in the last 25 years cause some guys have put up stats since his prime - but Smith is very underrated for a dude in a run first offense with a less than HOF QB -
Rumor. Canes trading for Tomas Hertl
carpanfan96 replied to Panthers Fan 69's topic in Carolina Hurricanes
Tulsky out on Marner since he wants short term. So trying to facilitate a trade with either Vegas or Dallas to help them clear space to sign Marner. Vegas would be Hertl and Dallas would be for Robertson. Either deal is contingent on the other team being confident enough that they will be the team to win the Marner sweepstakes. Edit to add: Vegas deal seems 95% likely to happen shortly. A few Wolves players and draft picks for Hertl the current deal. -
The Ringer NFC Offseason podcast
CarolinaLivin replied to mrcompletely11's topic in Carolina Panthers
idk if this is the same same, but came to offer another way to listen. thanks for pointing this out. Ill give it a listen tomorrow.
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