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The coddling seems so unnecessary when Bryce has kept himself even-keeled through everything. I doubt some competition would make him crash out, it's not like we've been going easy on him as a fanbase.

REAL dream scenario: Beat the Saints Beat the Bucs with Baker Mayfield. He hurts his shoulder again last play of game. Beat the Hawks with Sam Darnold. Beat the Bucs with Teddy Bridgewater. Get the #1 Seed (still technically possible) Beat the Lions with Kyle Allen (Jared Goff injured during practice) NFC Championship - Beat the Bears with Caleb Williams Super Bowl - Beat the Texans with CJ Stroud Bryce Young is the MVP and has exercised all of his demons and proved he is the true franchise.

What?? But he only had 18 completions and it took him 30 attempts to get those?? Plus if you take away his 2 longest passes who know how low his numbers really are?? Am I doing it right?

Huh..

You sure give a lot of room to certain posters hyperbole and not others, lol. You are reading a ton into a post to excuse a poster that posted the exact thing you said you hadn't seen. I don't care what motivates the guy to think "the haters" won't be happy unless we have a superstar when were talking about teams actual cast offs to start next year as options. There's virtually no one suggesting we rank right now (the other assertion in that post). I don't think it's worth diving in to all of the rest but I will say that virtually none of us are expecting whomever is our QB to be Cam or Mahomes but we'd like them to be consistently good and not consistently hurt the team... And... CJ Stroud compared to Cam? One of his knocks was that he hardly ever was willing to run. And he's not built anything like him.

Just FYI: This week's award went to Jordan Love

I wasn't gonna lie to Lady Cowboy Fan on that play. Told her straight up that was bullsh-t. To be fair though, the late game OPI call on Jake Ferguson was kind of a head scratcher too NFL officiating, ladies and gentlemen...

You should. Marty Hurney has said in an interview that had Houston not been picking ahead of us, we would have drafted Carr over Peppers. And to be fair to Carr, he not only received weekly beatings behind Houston's poorly equipped offensive line, but on top of that also some absolute dog sh-t coaching from Chris Palmer and company that probably aided in derailing his career. Just one of several examples from that era where somebody else's screwup actually saved us from screwing up ourselves...

Went back and looked at page 3. Pretty sure I found the post you were citing. My opinion: I think that post was trying to use hyperbole to make a couple of different points... One, yes there have been people grumbling over Bryce's stats in games we won. And in doing so ignoring that a lot of our early games relied on a very run heavy game plan. Honestly, not hard to find examples of that if you look back to the posts made around some of those arly victories. The Saints game forced us to go back to a more balanced attack, and we have indeed won games that way, including Young's career best game against Atlanta when that game unexpectedly became a shootout. Two, the size factor. Win or lose, good game or bad game, some folks are never gonna be happy with Bryce because of his stature. It's not so much that anyone expects Bryce to 'be Cam", but if you peruse this board during draft season you'll find loads of threads about prospects that "remind me of Cam" or "could be another Cam" or "might be Cam lite" or at the very least insisting that we'ill never win a Super Bowl unless we get a dual threat quarterback (a false, but somewhat widely held belief). That was a lot of the draw around Justin Fields, CJ Stroud (who I wanted, but not for that reason), Anthony Richardson and others. If you look back at threads touting those guys, it usually only takes only a few posts for someone to invoke Newton, even if the quarterback in question doesn't really resemble him much at all (Fields was a prime example). There are people who want Cam back (in spirit if not in body). if that's your ideal, having a guy like Bryce is anathema. But Cam isn't coming back, and as mentioned in the referenced post, guys like Cam don't grow on trees. So basically it's kinda futile to insist on that being the only path to glory. The overriding point in all this is unrealistic expectations. And yeah, we got 'em. We actually have something else that might be even worse though. Fear. Subtle feat, rationalized fear, but at heart still plain old fear. Why do I say that? Because the ridiculously illogical narrative that we somehow "win in spite of Bryce" is a fear based defense mechanism. Bryce can't ever be allowed to do anything good or receive any sort of credit for the Panthers winning games because to do so opens the door to the possibility that Bryce could end up being retained... ...and we simply can't have that Silly? Sure is, but I think we've all seen cases where people could rationalize just about anything if they're motivated enough. I'm not gonna go that route. I acknowledge every Bryce's skills, his progress, his growth, his "clutch gene" and any number of other good qualities he's demonstrated. And I still don't want to have to depend on him long term. And no, that isn't a contradiction. I have reasons.

Don't think it matters who would have won because I doubt we get a wild card. Theoretically, I think it's better the Lions won because the cowboys remaining schedule is very easy

He apparently got targeted once tonight but I don't even recall when.

We don’t say that word around here. Not even slightly. Shhh

The nfl.com Chance of Playoff Percentage stat has shifted up for us by a tiny tiny bit (like.. uh, 2 points??) to 19% with the Dallas loss tonight. So yay us, I guess?

You’re so obsessed that’s all you read. Get off his nuts

You are such a miserable weirdo

He’s had some really good moments. A cover 3 FS is a tough position to play at the NFL level. You have a tremendous amount of responsibility in the pass and run game that leaves you very vulnerable. He’s been fine this year.

How bout them Cowboys!

I guess defense is optional in this game.

That's a weak OPI

The Lions make everything hard on themselves this season.

Yes in fact in this thread on page 3, someone said some of us won't be happy unless we have Mahomes or Cam... My point by bringing up stats is actually that most of us DON'T care about having a QB that is throwing tons of yards, we care about having a QB that can move the ball, but Bryce is unable to do anything consistently. I'm glad you agree we should move on from Bryce - I also don't care about stats specifically but I think they give context to just how inconsistent he's been, which imo does matter.

Fug the cowgirls.

That's where I came up with "David Carr Battered QB Syndrome."

Mingo being mentioned is very funny.