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Gotta be one of the most brutal stretches of fandom in sports history. So close year after year after year just to get Charlie Brown'd at the finish line. Imagine 2015 four years in a row. Good lord, I think I might rather just suck.

I didn't want the guy and I think he's almost certainly a bust but I'm rooting for him. Seems like a really likeable guy. I wish if we were gonna draft busts that we'd draft assholes that bust. It's a lot easier to deal with a bust like Josh Rosen where it's like "yeah, fug that prick" versus likeable guys like XL and Bryce.

I could use less of Steve Smith's opinion in my life.

It probably would be. Given that most 6th and 7th rounders aren't NFL game day material except on the Panthers, the pick might improve us slightly with a drafted player, but I'd like to see us actually be able to open up the field. I do think some of our offensive problem stem from defenses aren't afraid of Bryce's arm. They cover a short field and that makes life a lot easier for them. If it doesn't work though, unless we get rid of the scouting department and whatever drafting algorithm Dave is making us use, it won't really matter anyway.

I think the Baker/Darnold thing has been overblown. QBs that struggle with the team that drafts them and go on to find success elsewhere often do end up going to multiple new teams before they figure it out and/or find the right situation. It just so happened that we traded for both guys in back-to-back years and neither player had quite figured it out yet. Baker, I think, needed more time and a better supporting cast. Darnold, I think, benefitted from a year on the bench in San Francisco a ton. I don't really have any ill will towards either of them. I think they both came here with the best intentions after coming from difficult circumstances; unfortunately the Panthers were - and still are, it seems - also in the process of figuring things out.

At this point this is all I want from this team. I'm done hoping for wins. I just want to see a competitive team for 4 quarters. Come out of the gate hard and don't give up no matter the score.

Tbf Darnolds last few games here were on par for "good Darnold." Some good decisions and some bad. He had extended success with the Vikings but he still had plenty of poor decisions. Still better than anything we have here. I've always been a Darnold fan and I hope that he finds continued success as a veteran.

I honestly hope he figures it out, but at this point we have little reason to think that he will. He's been even worse than he was as a rookie, which is tough to do. I see no reason he shouldn't be bumped down the depth chart once Coker is back. Jalen is the better player and it's not even remotely close right now. That would if nothing else allow XL to be moved around to where he's in the best position to contribute instead of forcing him into a role he's clearly not ready for and may never be ready for.

I think a lot of this stems from how well some of our FA acquisitions / trades played after leaving us. But there's a lot of important caveats there, and I think in Mayfield's case he needed to hit rock bottom (yes, we are rock bottom) to bounce back. He seems much less arrogant in TB. Darnold was, for Darnold, playing well here when we moved on from him too. I think you are right. I also think we can't wait another 3 years to see if the offense turns around. XL needs to start his turn around this year. And Bryce needs to at least return to how he played the last half of his 2nd year. Or, imo, we move on from both.

Oh yeah, the draft has been a poo show. You are 100% right there. I was thinking about Darnold and Baker. Two guys we traded assets for (would have missed on those picks I bet), sucked while here, and then went on to revive their careers. Since 2018: DJ Moore has had continued and greater (???) success in Chicago. Brian Burns got paid, and seems to be a big deal in NY? Go back a bit: CMC - duh, incredible part time player sadly Curtis Samuel - same ish? James Bradbury - Got paid and played well for several years after Carolina So I don't think we drafted anyone who left and lit the world on fire. More like FA mis-fires.

Name a guy we have drafted since 2018 that has had greater success elsewhere than they had here? I can tell you after looking, there aren't any. Hence why I keep saying this is an evaluation issue.

Turn the corner? That would mean he'd actually have to beat the corner and we know he can't do that.

I don't know if Canales is any good as a head coach yet, but he has done well with our non-XL receivers. I personally think he is handicapped by a key personnel and that is partly out of his hands for the next couple weeks. He's also very young, so will absolutely have head scratchers and growing pains. But outside of Wilks he's probably already out best HC since Rivera, which isn't saying much, and imo his ceiling is unknown vs Wilks' which unfortunately seems well known.

That's not what Bryce was pitched to be. Nor was the, what, 4th or 5th Tepper rebuild iteration? That's the problem with all this. You trade all this draft capital up to get these guys(Bryce, XL, etc) and then when they get their opportunities they can't hack it. As I have said many times, I view this as less of a development issue as I do an evaluation issue. We just suck at identifying talent correctly. It fails us all too often. If it was solely development, so many of these guys that left here after being failed draft picks would be studs. That is literally almost never the case.

I remember the days when it would take WRs a few years to figure it out in the NFL... What a time that was! Getting to the point of guys finding success else where after flopping here: patience and a vision. Thanks to Tepper, we haven't been able to develop a vision. Without patience, everything is a reaction. That's not to say sometimes you can tell when a fit it bad and people need to move on. In XLs case, it's not going to hurt us to be patient. Sure, fans see how Tmac is doing and are like "XL who??" I get it, but I also think reacting for the sake of reacting isn't the best thing to do. Should XL get off social media for a bit and focus on the game? Yes. As Cam screamed "Lock in bro!" I know being patient is hard when you see guys get off to fast starts in their careers. Tepper can't really afford to be reactive right now. He's got to let Dan and Dave have the time to build their team. Most of us are Panther fans. We're the idiots here, year after year, hoping things have changed. Most of us will continue to do so, and hope things turn around. While some of us will balk at the salary cap, contracts and wasted years; it doesn't affect us personally since we're just fan. Now for those folks on the teams...yeah...they need to get it together before they lose their jobs and have to move!

Wow that’s actually really cool chatgpt can do that Although, as we know Arizona sat in soft zone the entire second half. So there was a lot of dinking and dunking, but that’s the right thing to do in that situation. Week 1 pass chart doesn’t look bad. He pushes the ball downfield more than several other quarterbacks I’ve watched. For some reason the huddle thinks other quarterbacks are constantly throwing 60 yard bombs. That is absolutely not the case. Some quarterbacks aren’t taking any deep shots at all.

We keep referring to it as Over drafting him like he was really a first round draft pick. We traded up at the end of the first to get him in a deal with Buffalo so that we could grab him and get an extra year on his contract if needed. At the time that sounded like "If he really soars, we can get that fifth year extension automatically". It really probably meant, "We might need five years to really get him up to starting WR speed." He was basically a second rounder with a potentially meaningless pick as well to pay for those rights. Still, I think that with him we are on the Kelvin Benjamin bubble right now... will he ever be more than just an athlete? Can he really learn to fight and compete for that ball? Can he learn professional routes? Can he handle the fame and more money than he's ever seen in his life? Can he handle all of the pressure a fanbase puts on him? Tough shoes to fill. Not sure I'd want to be in them. I hope he gets it all together soon. A lot, most draftees, can't. Good luck and God bless to the young man. He's got a lot of work to do in a very unforgiving workplace.

This is the #1 reason I defend Bryce. Everyone around him is learning on the job, including him. But hey in 3 years we could have a talented offense that grew up together.

Nope. No balling out but he could latch on as a backup elsewhere. I still think he would be the weak link on a ridiculously loaded team that would create problems in the Playoff and while facing other really good teams. His limitations are just to much at this level. I have zero fear of playing him in the future. It's a litmus test for the D, granted the D is pretty awful currently so none needed.

Depends. If he goes to the Eagles to be Hurts' backup and Hurts gets hurt, he could do well since they have a top 3 oline, RB, and WRs

Atl will get 4+ sacks against us and Bryce will have 2+ turnovers. Quote me on this!! ATL has actually improved over the offseason, despite our additions we some how have regressed terribly.

XL is about to turn the corner... Of his house as he is chasing a rabid squirrel trying to eat rabies infected squirrel meat...

Cam Newton recently talked about XL's poor performance. He talks about XL not being focused on the right things and training wrong. He needs to get away from Glorilla, focus on football, and stop posting tik tok vids of his workouts per Cam. What's the purpose of posting your workout vids online? Are you trying to show the public how hard you are working behind the scenes? Cam says Davante Adams never posts his work out videos for likes, he just works on his craft in private and shows up in games when it matters. I think XL works hard, but he is just not working on the right stuff of being a WR. In example, not getting your feet in bounds. That's basic stuff bud.

It would help if they stopped trying to force them to be the faces of the franchise and just let them earn it... Or not overdrafting guys... Or drafting 'their' guys with better options on the board... Or hiring poorly or hiring people willing to fail while doing it the Tepper way... There is a lot I am tired of in Pantherland.

Man, am I tired of Charlotte being the place these guys go before they work out their issues.