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I didn't mean to say we should guarantee anything. Offer him a two year deal with the ability to extend or cut bait after one. It's the ultimate prove it deal and Baker is the type of guy who can be challenged. But I'm of the mindset to trade both Robby and Sam because Robby without Sam is going to be a sulky SOB if the Panthers lose even one game because of a turnover by Baker. He seems to lack the ability to think critically about his role and that of "his QB". The Bears need receivers.

Panthers fans have been garbage, especially on this board, since 2018 or so. If we can tailor and offense to what Baker does well, and the team will allow him to lead, we will be fine. The OBJ situation in Cleveland divided the locker room and people blamed Magfield but the reality of the situation is that wherever OBJ has gone, chaos has followed. Then you add the Browns cultural issues as a whole and you have a recipe for what happened. Baker took the Browns to the playoffs and won in Pittsburgh. Let that sink in for a moment. I'd prefer it if we traded Darnold now and extended Baker for two years, even if he isn't what we thought, he's cheap now and if he sucks, we can draft Grayson McCall next year.

Baker went from walk on to Heisman Winner and 1st Round Draft Pick. I don't think he's cocky, I think he's confident in his ability to overcome based on his history. He isn't a Johnny Manziel. He didn't get to where he is by being quiet and humble because when you're his size and a walk on, you can't. You have to be charismatic and be a leader, which he was. But the Browns are so dysfunctional that of course they would squander that. Baker apparently has a photographic memory as well, for what it's worth. He's already better than Darnold who can't see the field at 6'5. Baker can remember offensive and defensive plays by sight and when healthy, he's good. I'll be interested to see if Mcadoo actually adjusts the offense to his strengths.

It's never "the" fan base. It's a portion. Most leve headed people (e.g. not those on The Huddle), would've understood keeping Teddy Two Gloves and drafting a guy. Most would've preferred Teddy to what they saw in 2021 because of his ability to get the ball out quick, unlike Darnold. So no, I as a fan, do not require we make a trade every single off-season for a guy unless it's a guy like Mayfield who has had some success. Nothing Darnold showed in NY justified the trade. Baker on the other hand broke the rookie record for TD passes, took the Browns to the playoffs and won a playoff game. Years 2 and 4 weren't spectacular but he was severely injured in 2021 and the Browns started doing what the Browns do. The culmination of thT being the signing of a QB who may never play a down with them. At this point, I wonder if they Browns owners make more money from losing than from winning, based on their decisions.

I am a Panthers fan and am completely reasonable. I don't dislike Rhule, Fitterer, Darnold, or Tepper. I think Rhule came in to a project, Tepper gave him the leash to build a foundation from which success would be sustained, Fitterer was brought in to facilitate the front office portion of that, and Darnold was the product of the 2nd worst Panthers offensive line I've ever seen. Zac Taylor of the Bengels won like 3 games his first two years and they went to the Super Bowl in year 3. The Panthers are now in year 3 of Rhule and while I don't think a Super Bowl is expected, the pieces are in place for a Wild Card. I'm not optimistic or pessimistic. The margins are SLIM in the NFL and 10 yards across five games could be the difference between playoffs and Top 6 pick.

Didn't Mac Jones play in Bill O'Brian's system with NFL terminology and route concepts? There is a huge difference between Jones College situation and Corral's.

Would be a far better pick now than he was then, considering who was coaching at the time.

He converted part of his salary just to be traded here.

What are these issues "wherever he goes" that you speak of? Dude is an underdog in a league full of chosen ones. Of course his attitude js going to rub people the wrong way because he had to force himself to get to where he is now in spite of his physical limitations. Other guys don't have to deal with that. I have a feeling there is a lot more Drew Brees in Mayfield than people know and that a lot of issues you seem to believe there are were related to Lincoln Riley (a polarizing figure in and of himself) and the Browns. The same Browns that just guaranteed $250 million to a guy who may not play for two years running. Baker likely wasn't the issue here. The Browns locker room and culture are garbage and it's all piecemeal garbage thrown together where no one is willing to follow. The Panthers don't have that issue. In short, I think what made Baker a problem in Cleveland is what will make him a success in Charlotte.

This is quite literally exactly what I just said.

Everything centers around two things: 1. The offensive line - it would appear Fitterer did more than any of his predessecors in Carolina to rectify this situation 2. Christian McCaffrey - The Panthers are a better team with him on the field and the W/L tracker bears that out If those two factors remain stable for 18 games, the Panthers will be in the Wild Card discussion come Week 18, regardless of if the QB is Darnold, Mayfield, or Corral.

Still want Grayson McCall next year. His ceiling is much higher than both Darnold and Mayfield, though I think Darnold could be a very good QB with a decent offensive line.

I like Mayfield as a person and as a personality, but I don't understand as a player. If nothing else he will motivate guys and they will play for him.

Well, when you play with the 30, 31, or 32nd ranked offensive line in your first five years with a different offensive coordinator almost every season, what the fug do you expect?

Yeah, you clearly believe that when App State or ECU comes to Chapel Hill and teaches UNC something of a lesson in humility. Overrated cheating fhcks. Would love for the corruption of the UNC Syetem leadership to be weeded out and maybe it will with this move to Raleigh.

If the offensive line is better and we can figure out a rotation where McCaffrey can go a full year the Panthers will make the playoffs this year, book it. I don't know that we will beat the Bucs or Rams but almost everyone else is fair game. I could see 9-8 or 10-7, maybe better. Sam can be the man. He's never been protected. He reminds me of Alex Smith. How many years did he play for a terrible organization with terrible coaching and terrible line play before they finally figured it out? They rode it out with Smith because they knew, despite their losing, that he wasn't the problem. And guess what, it turns out that they were right. So let's have a little understanding of the nuance here: Darnold is not the issue here nor was he in New York.

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Left a wet spot? Guys leave...wet spots now?

Is anyone here a lawyer? Is any of this actually an offense that can be tried, and won, in Civil Court? I can't think of any statutes covered by what is claimed to have happened in all but, I believe one of these cases.

Dry towns actually help reduce crime. I grew up in one, the towns on either side of us had higher crime rates and they were largely the same socioeconomically. I don't personally drink alcohol, and I do believe it can be up to a town or county to make a decision to allow the sale of it or not. Also, you didn't hear it from me, but Bovada and Express VPN are quality.

Ole Miss just posted the most wins in team history. Go look at Kiffin's offenses since his stint at Alabama. From Alabama, to FAU, and Ole Miss he has proven himself to be one of the top offensive coaches in the game of College Football, unsurprisingly. Jeff Leby just left for Oklahoma which doesn't get enough coverage. I think Oklahoma made out like bandits by taking Brent Venebles and getting Leby. Venebles is better than Grinch and Leby is better than Lincoln Riley. They may actually have a shot at a National Championship now.

That would never hold up in Court. They cannot leave a punishment "open ended" and if they did, lawsuits would be filed by both Watson and the NFLPA. There are structures for suspensions and I doubt any of them say "12 games, but we will play the rest by ear". Leaving is open ended incentivizes new allegations that may not necessarily be true, either. I know false accusations occur rarely but if there was a case that would get them, it would be this.

It's very easy when Jeff Leby is your OC and Lane Kiffin is the head coach.

Even Snopes would rate that as false.

It should also improve Fox considering how Aikman just drones...and drones...and sounds like he would rather be anywhere else.