DaveThePanther2008

I think you are in the minority on that opinion but if you say so. Let's reverse the scenario. What would Bridgewater done in NE? And what would Cam had done in Carolina? Honestly Cam puts us in the playoffs with the weapons we had. His arm strength may not have been up to 2015 but it would have been far better than TB5. Cam given the chance to win 8 games during the season, at minimum, would have won at least 50%. That puts us at 9-7. TB5 in New England. You're looking at New England in the top 5 draft picks and probably contending with Jacksonville and the NYJ for the top spot.

And who was their running back compared to the 2020 running back. I will not debate with you over this. You really believe the talent on the 2020 team is equal to the 2003 team. You are also talking two different era. Many of the rules that are in place in today were not in place in 2003. Many rules were changed in the past decade to increase scoring and limit defense. So to compare 2003 and 2020 are not comparable.

Are you saying D. Byrd who was basically their #1 receiver was as good as players Brady took to the super bowl? Their receiving corps was no better than a practice squad team. Brady would not have done any better with them. Brady, as much as I hate to say it, is the GOAT at least in his era. But he was wise to get out of NE when he did. 2020 in NE would not have been his greatest year.

I also think you need to take in consideration the same baseball pitchers go through when coming off of shoulder surgery. Usually the year they return they are not very effective but usually the following year they are much better. I believe this will be the case with Cam. He had some rough games last year. He has some lousy receivers the Patriots pretty much put the whole offense on Cam. That said it wasn't the only issue and Cam did have some lousy throws. I believe with some real targets. Cam is going to prove to Carolina and the rest of the league. He's not washed up.

We'll see what NE does to give him some help. They have a couple of players that sat out 2020 so that'll help them too. If they give him some weapons he'll have a great season and will be a big target next offseason. Many think he is done. I am not one of them. He has shyt for receivers and still managed to win more games than we did. TB5 in New England would have put them in contention with the Jets and Jacksonville as the worse team in the league.

I'm all in. I just hope they get it done as soon as possible. Waiting until draft day would hurt us immensely. We wouldn't be able to target free agents properly. If we have it done on the 17th would be amazing. I highly doubt it but I hope it is done not long after.

I agree Mr. Scot, but this is the year to get it done. If we can somehow get Watson the free agent market is going to be full of players that will take one or two year deals. at value to us, until the cap goes back up. I think we are freeing up money to do just that. Build our line with free agents and what remains of our draft choices draft BPA whether offense or defense. Hopefully, we can sign Miller and a couple of the other decent o-linemen we had last year.

Lamar fell off the map half way through the season. He was initially in the MVP voting and disappeared and people started questioning whether he could take Baltimore to the promise land. JOSH Allen is a great young player but neither are as good as Watson. If we get Watson and get a good O-line and continue to build our defense. He'll be our 2nd MVP QB.

I couldn't help but think of the same thing. Part of the reason CMC would not be traded was because of his salary and now it's changed. Also they wanted defensive players and maybe CMC and Shaq are part of the equation. I would hate to see us lose him but if it is necessary to get Watson than it's a gamble I think the front office is willing to make.

What great players. Gave 100% every game and were truly great Panthers. Welcome Home We'll miss you.

Why would he say anything negative about Bridgewater? Teams are interested in him, the last thing he needs to do is undercut his value. Come On, Man.

You also have to remember he is sitting. While he may show up nothing says he has to play. It's in their best interest to move him this year than next. Kind of hard to swallow a huge cap hit and get no production out of any player, including Watson.

I get both arguments. Jones, IMO, is going to be a good NFL QB. What I will argue is athleticism. While he may not be the next coming of Mahomes or Watson he is athletic. You don't play for the one of the best college programs in the country because you can throw the ball. J. Russell was athletic but had the brain of a pee. Winston was super athletic but was a poor decision maker. I went back and looked at the last 20 years of Super Bowl winners and the Majority were pocket passers. Some with a more mobility than others. Mahomes, Wilson and Wentz being the most mobile with Rodgers a cross breed of both. The Mannings, Brady, Flacco, Big Ben and the others were not very mobile but good pocket presence plus most of them had a great defense. I will say that if they choose Jones than the offensive line needs to be top tier. I think that is the one advantage a mobile QB can get away with more than a pocket passer. I'd say above average line or better. Someone said earlier or in another thread. Free Agency will tell the tale of which way we go. If we are building a solid line with Vets than don't be surprised if we go for Jones. I've read where Jones is quite intelligent and Tua said he was the 2nd coming of Brady. Brady reads a defense as well as any that have played. Most of the times he knew where he was throwing the ball before the snap. Go through the motions of keeping the safeties honest and throw to your read. If Jones learns to read a defense well. Who knows his ceiling. I'm going to let Rhule and Co. figure that out. This has been the craziest offseason for QBs as I can ever remember and I've been a huge NFL fan since Johnny U and the Baltimore Colts. Regardless of who we go with. As long as TB5 is not the QB. I'll be optimistic.

The Texans might want to play hardball but they also know that the time is NOW to trade him. If they get into a pissing contest and Watson refuses to play his stock will go down Houston needs to deal him because if they wait and play hardball it will backfire. Teams will offer less than now because Houston will soon realize they are losing draft capital everyday they wait. Teams will start to low ball them and force Houston to accept it before it gets worse. IMO they'll deal Watson before the draft.

I know I am probably in the minority here but I think Minshew would do well here. He reminds me a bit of Fitzpatrick. I don't see him as a long term answer and he is still under contract with Jacksonville. He's a former ECU Pirate and might enjoy coming back to the Carolina's in any fashion we use him.

How he wasn't even in the discussion is what pissed me off. He was 2 time defensive rookie of the Month whereas Young didn't win it once. How do you win two of four months and aren't even considered. Young was the more high profile player and that's it. He had a great year but to not include Chinn in the discussion is absurd.

Winning with the Viking and Saints are history. That's like saying Cam, who I am a big supporter of, should have stayed with the team because he was MVP in 2015. This is a what can you do for me now league. Bridgewater showed NO ability to take the team down the field and win a game when we needed him too. Bridgewater had more than enough weapons to win a game. He beat a rookie QB, a mediocre Cardinal team, a slumping Falcon team (who later beat us), and the WFT that gave us the game. He did nothing against upper echelon teams. You love Bridgewater and that's ok with me but to insist he isn't the problem your blind to the facts. Once teams figured out he couldn't hit a deep pass to save his life, they played to stop the short game and showed his HUGE WEAKNESS.

You should be severely beaten just for the thought of putting Miracle Whip in Cole Slaw.

This is exactly the reason no one wants him as our QB going forward. If he had won half of those games we would have been in the playoff discussion. OOOOOOO FOR 8. Tells me you have zero killer instinct.

I think he is somewhere inbetween these two arguments. He had little help in NE. I also think there has been some decline. But I cannot help but think about baseball pitchers that come back from surgery. It usually takes a full season of playing to recover from the shoulder injuries. This would be the NEXT season. I think if he stays in NE. They will get him some weapons and he'll show he isn't washed up.

i understood the reasoning they released Cam but Bridgewater was not the answer. We would have paid less to keep Cam and would have been able to move on from him had he not performed well. It's hindsight but I never understood the logic of bringing in a player with a history of injury worse than Cam and expecting him to revive the Panthers. If we somehow traded Bridgewater to SF and all our efforts to secure a QB failed. I would sign Cam to a one year deal and focus on a replacement in 2022.

I would have rather stuck with Cam than deal with the Bridgewater issue. I think with the offense we had last year Cam would have done better than Bridgewater. I am certain that given the opportunity to win a game (8 I believe) He would have won a least a half of them.

I recently saw that the Pelicans might be shopping Alonzo Ball. They might be rethinking that after last nights game against the Jazz where he put up some decent numbers. Would it be worth trading for him? Team him up with his brother. They obviously have some amazing chemistry between each other and might make him better than he is with New Orleans. I am not suggesting that we do as I like many of the components the Hornets have and would not like to see us screw it up trading for an unwanted player. I am just asking your opinion. What would you trade for him?

I would love to see Creed Humphrey fall to us in round 2. We could really used a smart athletic center.

What would make you make such an inaccurate statement. He's not Marty Hurney. I am sure he will have the majority of the input. Rhule and Fitterer will have a good working relationship and put a good team on the field.