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Looks like you are kind of coming around a little bit. Denial sucks. You’ll get there.

I know the Bryce stans will be upset over any negativism, so you folks start preemptively calming down because here is a bunch of it. I think Bryce Young’s ceiling Might be average starter. Might. He is historically small, not elite in his football athleticism, from strength, to size, to speed, to arm strength. If he succeeds as an average starter in the NFL, it would be historic. Let that sink in. Historic, as in never been done by anyone. He is Not Brees size wise, there simply are no legit comps. And they bet the farm on it. Our farm. And Stroud was there for the taking, looking so much better in practically every quantifiable way. Except ‘processor’. Right? Lol.

Wilks had to be perfect. He wasn’t. I wanted him anyway.

No, it won’t really do that, and the way you put it tells me you need to be cleared up on something. But first of all, bragging on the Mingo ball and the other one, a third round QB makes those same throws all day. To clear up what I won’t shut up about, I am not the one that said he couldn’t throw deep (or far), I am the one that says his mechanics overly compensate for his lack of arm strength. He has to use his whole body to get what prototypical players get flatfooted. There are a lot of consequences rippling through a football play, timing wise. Play calling wise, I would for sure bet. Why do I want less than the best (top level) arm if I am paying top dollar? So yes, huge questions on Bryce Young and the NFL since I laid eyes on him. Arm, good enough (third round arm strength?). . Okay i know Fran Tarkenton won with not the best arm, he was not really fast afoot, I watched him. It was a long time ago and a different game. Three times as fast now. Yet people used stuff like that to justify this. Not saying you did. But so much makes no sense, and people just go Yeah! I notice the runup as much as the result on the college throw you posted, or that someone posted, and wonder to myself if the result would be there without it, and would the runup be allowed (takes more time, more space). Big can of worms. He would be truly historic if he succeeded

Meant to say about Wilks, I wanted him because he wasn’t going to be bullied by Tepper, into something he didn’t feel good about. After Az, he learned.

Bro, if you want to hold those up as a reason he was the guy, by all means do so.

That college deep ball posted on Young’s behalf, how many steps did he use on the running start? Looked like the damned javelin throw. Doesn’t that make a difference to people? You have guys that throw that flat footed. I guess he might get that much room to throw in the NFL. edit: sorry Wille but as I remember it the majority here got exactly what they wanted. They were really loud about it. Only thing left to watch is to enjoy the recriminations against everyone but the quarterback. That is what radio is doing too. They can’t admit it. You get Manning comparisons all day but no Leafs for example. He probably had a pretty crappy rookie campaign too.

First thing to do is try and win a game. Gotta start Dalton and hopefully have that mistake of a draft pick get it together with all the gurus.

Going from how the last interim that did an outstanding job, was treated, who wants it?

Worst? Don’t care, but wish he had bought a different team.

Can I say I am tired of looking at him play without that being a personal thing? If so, that is how I feel. And I have felt bad, very bad, about the whole process after seeing the result of it (the trade and subsequent evaluations). I can’t trust anybody up there engineering all this to display competent football decision making skills after this.

I am thinking I am not gonna ever be buddies with you so I am not going to try. Buddy. College. Yeah. It isn‘t hard to find NFL players to explain the dilfference between college (even the SEC) and the NFL. I have yet to hear one say it was the same. They unanimously say the opposite. The speed of the game. The size of the players. Those college highlights, those LSU guys chasing him, are they NFL players now? I looked. Some, a couple of DL and DBs later. Edge rusher Olijari in the 2nd as the highest LSU player. That pretty much means he was embarrassing mostly non NFL talent in those clips. Good for him. Justvtry this and you will see my point, or maybe you will curse it. It is so simple and easy, yet people don’t seem to do it. Anyway: Find an NFL game, Watch the big guys chasing the QB. Now go back and look at those college highlights where they are chasing Bryce. After that, you can say you don't notice the significant speed (and size) difference from the NFL, if you want. But those NFL big guys are so much faster than the college players it jumps off the film. And he is the same guy with the same quickness and the same speed. If he puts on weight and muscle, how much will he lose. I think people have bought a ton of hype. of course, I am sick to death of year after year of shitty football, so I hope he does do well enough to win some games. .

That deal about needing to step into his throws, that was what I saw when watching stuff on youtube. At his pro day. A little skip step.

Looking at replays of the games there was more than once that the receivers were up each other’s butts, like in a phone booth if anyone remembers them. And they are not supposed to be. So my question, when I saw complaints about play design was really, how can you know it is bad play design when they are not running the play as designed. Seems obvious they wouldn’t design a play with two receivers butt cheek to butt cheek I can indict the staff for other things though, also being impartial. Like lying to us. I don’t want to hear any three or four year plan now after telling us this was the most pro ready player. After claiming you are hiding the ‘new offense’ all through preseason, you trot this crap out for your debut. Genius, asshole style, keeping everyone in the dark. Maybe there is no new offense yet because they can’t run it. Is that it?

I love a defensive battle. Goal line stands. Hitting. Dislodge the ball from the carrier or receiver, brutality no extra charge. Murderous intent practically. That is great football. It is gone lost to history and grainy film. I love a 1-0 baseball game too. Where points or runs are not cheap. Every pitch, or every play, has potential to change the outcome when the margins are tight. Love it.

Well, that was optimistic as promised. As far as the can an owner…. Really? Pretty clear examples of it in the past. Irsay the most recent. JR wasn’t trying to stop us but he did, a couple of times. Granted, if Tepper makes it too hard for people to support the team then they shouldn’t. I definitely struggle with that. If Tepper would put a winner out there I would at minimum tolerate him and who knows but he hasn’t shown he understands how to do that.

Yeah there have been a few low points. 1900-1194 was pretty low with no team. 2001 was rough, 2010 was rough. We are a losing franchise a lot of years have had troubles that were very difficult, I was mostly going by roster and W-L. And hope level. None of it saw 6 years pass and still stuck in the mud and this time with your future mortgaged for what so far looks like average, best case and being nice.

Reich making his imprint... Making a great first depression.

2026-2030 firsts for whoever Tepper chooses to make it work for the last one he liked. edit: if David Tepper really had nothing to do with the Young trade and pick plan, it is time to go ahead and let him do the picking. He should fire Fitterer and make himself GM.

Yeah, he doesn’t look hurt and as anyone who watched the game could see, Dalton is night and day better, it isn’t close. Young managed to make Dalton look really good. Then you look over at CJ Stroud’s performance and realize that every game Young starts he looks worse and SO much worse by comparison, they need to hide that from people and hope they can figure something out to help the youngster. 0-3 these vets are gonna get really upset if they don’t put the best players on the field. So I don’t know how this works out.

I think Tepper wanted everything that has been done, done. So who does he fire for that? Gives people cover. I think some scout or strength coach gets fired no one big they are all hand picked.

Well, I invite people to watch CJ Stroud at work. I just did. If you do that, and come back blaming our failure on everything but the QB play, You to go to ignore. But if you actually do watch the game, you won’t come back talking like that. Unless you are a complete idiot. Bryce might be able to distribute the ball to some players and with a defense win some games doing it, at some point in the future, but he will never be that. edit: if you put that Houston QB I watched on this team, we are in a different, much better place.

That was the move, and still could have been with Dalton. I wanted anything but that trade up. Anything.

The thing I least understand is what was he protecting in preseason? I expected a newly designed fun offense with a ton of motion, a point guard in the center of it distributing the ball. That’s pretty much what we were promised. I have not seen anything that is remotely interesting. I do think the qb is giving up on plays, panicking I think. Jet out of that pocket, throw it ob or get tackled. So maybe that is hiding this great offense they have designed but I really think it is all a bunch of emperor’s new clothes and there is no new design of anything.

You don't cut him in this situation (there is no one better or as good, it would hurt the team probably) if he is trying and being a good teammate. If he is being a bad teammate, has an attitude, you cut the hell out of him even if you have to make Dalton play his position.