MasterAwesome

Woahhhh....you mean the omniscient Huddle expert commentators got something wrong all this time?

That would have been just as much of a wasted pick considering zero kickers were taken after Fletcher. We could have still gone after any bum undrafted kicker.

Yeah you can evaluate individual coaching decisions. The problem is when you blanketly use a coach's judgment as an indictment on the player, i.e. Rhule didn't put Santoso in to attempt a 50-yard FG...ergo Santoso sucks, has a weak leg, etc. So many people here did the same with Rivera back when he didn't trot out Gano for any 50+ yard FGs. They assumed that meant Gano has a weak leg when clearly that isn't the case. Santoso is very much unproven one way or the other, so to use Rhule's judgment call not to let him kick the FG as evidence that Santoso sucks is blindly putting faith in Rhule's judgment.

Yeah which is why I catered my argument to our team so we could have a bit more nuanced of a discussion rather than appealing to conventional wisdom. We do have a pass rush so an elite CB is going to accomplish a lot. We don't have a good interior o-line so an elite LT is not going to accomplish as much.

You guys need to be a bit more consistent. Rhule choosing to play Elflein/Daley over Christensen/Brown = Rhule is being dumb, why isn't he playing our best two guards. Rhule choosing to forego a 50-yard FG = our kicker sucks and Rhule knows it. Do you trust Rhule's judgment or not?

If your success largely hinges on your quarterback play, then you have to acknowledge that an elite CB significantly hinders the success of the opposing QB which is equally important to winning football. Otherwise you're just hoping to win shootouts every week. I mean it really just boils down to having a well-oiled offense vs. a shutdown defense. A shutdown CB is as vital to your defense as a shutdown OT is to your offense. Also an elite LT is obviously super important but the returns are less realized when you have other major holes in your o-line, otherwise you're just getting exploited elsewhere (like up the middle for us). If an LT was the missing piece for us then yeah maybe Jalen Ramsey would be having to cover for 5+ seconds out there. That being said, same goes for CB...but I would argue Horn kinda was the missing piece for our defense to a much larger degree than Slater would be the missing piece for our o-line. Finding an LT would have gone a long way towards solidifying our o-line but I think that's something we would have benefited from more in the next couple seasons after one or two more drafts/FAs, to fill our other o-line voids. All things equal, I'd probably still take an elite LT over an elite CB just due to the conceptual risk mitigation of injury to your QB. I just don't think it's the slam-dunk obvious choice that people make it out to be.

I might care more if Horn didn’t just dominate his own matchup(s) yesterday.

You guys know who was tied for 3rd worst in XP% last season? I'll give you a hint...he's the guy everyone cries about at least 27 times a year since he was poached from our practice squad.

This dude has played like 17 positions since we signed him last season...and not from a "throw poo against the wall" place of desperation like with a Rashaan Gaulden. The kid is a baller...sucks.

Hell, even Ed Dickson catches that pass lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_no5YnIrAb4

Don't forget his coverage on that Shaq interception too...absolute blanket coverage and was in position to intercept that ball had it gotten by Shaq.

That reminds me, I was pleasantly surprised they didn't throw a flag on that Derrick Brown sack for "putting his weight on the QB" or whatever. Not that I think it was warranted, but that awful addition to the roughing the passer penalty has been used ridiculously these past couple seasons, including at least once or twice against us. Especially since Wilson looked visibly hurt after that. Maybe he's not old enough to get that call yet lol.

Technically he wasn't missed in our search, we actually signed him back in March but released him in May lol. But either way, he didn't even attempt a FG or XP so it's too soon to say whether we missed out on anything. His punts were pretty respectable for a placekicker but we have one of the best punters in the league. TBD whether he can actually kick balls through the uprights.

I’m still super excited about him and haven’t soured on him one bit, but I think Week 1 around the NFL should bring those people back down to Earth a bit who were thinking he’d be in the running for OROY. There were a lot of strong performances from rookie WRs around the league: Chase, Smith, and Waddle particularly. I think he definitely has the talent to be OROY but just won’t get the opportunities…for better or worse, CMC looks like he’ll continue to dominate the touches in this offense and then he’ll still have to contend with super talented receivers like DJ and Robby.

The guy is VERY raw. I know we all like to watch highlights of him knocking defenders on their ass, but he does a lot of lunging with his upper body. Technique needs a lot of refining before I’m comfortable with him starting.

Yeah but like…..our o-line bro…!!!

Jameis needs to get this dude in touch with his LASIK surgeon.

We’re already conceding the division to TB before the first game of the season? This is like the people who start looking towards the draft in Week 3 lol.

No need to get defensive. If you want to engage with the arguments then that's fine, but I'm not interested in these juvenile "You mad, bro?" games.

Who are you arguing with on yards and TDs? Lol who has said Darnold compares favorably to Jameis in those categories? Turnovers: Darnold > Jameis Yards/TDs: Jameis >>>>>>>>> Darnold Is that clear enough? Can we agree on these basic facts?

Once you apply some context, it seems a lot more favorable when you have one QB with by far his highest INT% his rookie year (3.6%) and then tapering off the last two years (2.9%, 3.0%), versus a QB who has played 5 full seasons and has trended UPWARDS significantly in INT% his last three seasons: 2.5 -> 3.7 -> 4.8. Trends are important and a veteran QB trending in the wrong direction is alarming. I'm not arguing that Darnold is better than Jameis, I can easily acknowledge that career-wise Darnold has been pretty piss-poor. I'm simply saying it's fine to acknowledge that he's less turnover prone than Winston...that's a slam dunk and not even in any way a glowing endorsement of Darnold lol.

You responded to someone talking specifically about interceptions and how Darnold has a reputation for being "turnover prone". So when talking specifically about interceptions, we can easily extrapolate how many Darnold would have thrown if he had Winston's pass attempts. You sneaking in Winston's yardage has no relevancy to that specific discussion which is why I ignored it...those are two separate discussions. It doesn't seem like a difficult concession to say that Darnold is less turnover prone than Jameis, but for some reason it's becoming obvious that you have some aversion to even hinting at anything remotely positive about Darnold, no matter how trivial. If you can't even simply acknowledge that Darnold is less turnover prone than the MOST turnover prone active QB in the NFL, then it's really hard to take you seriously when it comes to any rational discussions about Darnold.

It's a pretty simple extrapolation: Darnold's INTs over 626 pass attempts would have come to just under 19. There's no need for wild speculation when we have fundamental mathematics at our disposal.

I would be REALLY cautious hosting joint practices with Belichick and the Patriots…

Jones was probably the most consistently solid...but the other QBs all had more "wow" plays (except maybe Lance IMO). Which pretty much falls in line with what we expected...highest floor, lowest ceiling of the bunch.