PantherGuy

I agree with your general point, but you feel a lot stronger than I do about it. I just wish he'd keep his thoughts to himself occasionally.

Won't be going. I guess we re-upped for Spartanburg for a reason, but I think they're asking for someone to get hurt. The heat in Charlotte has been brutal this summer. Spartanburg is going to be like an oven. I wish they were doing camp at an indoor practice field.

I supported trading for him, but this is objectively true - at least it was when he was a draft prospect. I know someone in media whose professional duties included some interactions with him. She said he was one of the rudest and most self-important athletes she ever interacted with, and she has worked with a lot of them. She has spoken glowingly of Kobe, LeBron, Chris Bosh, Dwyane Wade, The Golden Calf of Bristol, Shaq, Charles Barkley, and others. He thought she was beneath him because he was going to be drafted No. 1 and she wasn't. To this day my acquaintance dislikes Baker.

IMO he wasn't ready, but he also did get scapegoated. I still believe Rhule canned him because Tepper was going to fire Rhule if he didn't fire someone.

1 to a 5. We still have Matt Rhule coaching. I'd love for him to prove me wrong but I still think he is out of his league in the NFL.

This is my perception too. This is why Rhule didn't really want to sign Cam last year and then sent him straight to the bench the moment Sam was cleared.

Good. As it should be. Sports owners have bent cities over the table for way too long. Even if it means losing the Panthers. There are so many bigger issues to fund right now than a goddamn new practice facility for a football team.

fug yes Steelers took Pickett so now we can't

If he's serious about Rhule getting at least 5 years...idk

IMO Kyler's only goal is to make the most money possible in the shortest amount of time. He merely sees football as a way to make that happen. I don't think he has much passion for the game. That's why he decided on the NFL instead of baseball. He could get paid faster.

The way Rhule treated Cam down the stretch of the season, IMO it's not surprising at all. I think he didn't care for him as a coach, and I don't think Rhule can handle a guy with Cam's personality.

Your only point I agree with is people should stop with the personal insults against him. Calling Rhule fat isn't productive. Otherwise, yes Tepper is ultimately "responsible" for the hire but that does not make Rhule innocent of his own problems.

So we really decided on this path. Not only keeping Rhule but letting him try to hire a decent OC even though no one good would want to take the job seeing the big picture. Jesus fuging christ

Pretty much. He wanted Herbert and the GM either disagreed or opted to be a yes man to his owner out of self preservation. Flores is a good coach. Just very intense and he got stuck with a QB he didn't want.

This article is a good look at why he was fired. https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2022/1/10/22876955/brian-flores-fired-miami-dolphins-stephen-ross

Not that I don't agree with the first point, but I really agree with the italicized section. His actions and talk have diverged so much this year in particular that I don't believe anything he says.

@Saca312I think you're right. As much as we all want to be rid of Matt and Sam, Sam will still be here next year unless he decides he's had enough of being a bad football player and retires. What coach would want this job knowing he's stuck with Sam for the first year and there's only so much he can do to upgrade the line?

As we all see, his style does not translate to the NFL. So he would not be qualified for any other NFL positions. He'd go back to college for the rest of his career like Nick Saban did.

So his job hinges on hiring someone qualified to be the interim head coach next year if he continues to poo the bed.

I checked out after the Arizona game when it was clear that Cam was not going to start for awhile, if at all. He did play a lot in the weeks after that but the offense was so bad I was cool with not watching anyway. Once Sam came off IR and Rhule immediately decided to start him thinking he could get Sam back to playing well, I checked out the rest of the way. Will not buy any merch or go to a single game until Rhule either pulls off a highly improbably turnaround or he gets fired. Likely will not watch much, if any, of the games either. They're so fuging boring. The Canes and Hornets are both way above the Panthers in viewing priority. The Canes are arguably the best team in the NHL this year and the Hornets are at least a good bet to be entertaining even if they don't win.

Of the reasons I've seen to keep Rhule, the first is always the fact that he turned around Baylor and Temple in year 3. I think this fact is getting overhyped. I'm a hobbyist statistician. From a statistical standpoint, an event occurring twice is merely a suggestion that it could happen again. It is far from a trend or guarantee. There is a common cognitive bias related to the human tendency to assume statistical outcomes will continue in the direction they are already moving. An example would be assuming that because a QB has throw for 3000, 3500, and 4000 yards in the prior 3 seasons of his career that he will increase his season yardage again in Year 4. Rhule has only done this twice before. The substandard quality of the schools, their competition, and their success (or lack thereof) has been discussed extensively. If the main reason for keeping Rhule is that he has turned his prior 2 teams around in Year 3 of his stops there, then it's a bad reason from a statistical perspective.

Probably opt out of watching any meaningful action during games on TV. Will follow the team but from a distance. Will continue my habit of not buying any new merch or going to a game. I started watching CFB this year and have found it more enjoyable and a better overall game than the NFL. So maybe shift more toward CFB viewing.

This is my conclusion too. Give them one more chance to turn things around next year. If they don't, we will probably be bad enough to have our choice of QBs.

Probably say goddamnit and roll my eyes

Not a chance