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I think the best option is trading Chinn for Jameson Williams and a conditional pick. Vonn Bell and Xavier Woods have done well at Safety. I don't think Burns should be traded until the draft order is finalized at the end of the regular season. Need to see at least what Haynes looks like after returning from short-term IR

I was at the game yesterday. Offense - Out of sync. False starts, holding, and timeouts due to not having the play called in on time. We lost on first down, making it hard to convert on second and third down when it's obvious we have to pass - OL. The offensive line can't pass protect when called upon and they lost almost every short-yardage battle against the Saints - WR. Adam Thielen is our best WR because he understands how to be QB-friendly - sitting in the zone, cutting his route short because he sees the blitz. I'm willing to give Mingo (rookie) and Chark (first game back from injury) a past. However, TMJ is approaching bust status. - QB. Ultimately I remain optimistic. Hasn't been as accurate and strong against pressure as advertised. However, saw him make several throws into tight windows. He has a strong enough NFL arm. I realize with Bryce it's about the long game, not the short. I want to see how he improves each subsequent week and post-bye. I think I got enamored with Cam Newton's physical prowess - size, speed, and strength that masked a lot of holes from the previous Panthers team. However, that is why we didn't consistently go to the playoffs because we heavily relied on amazing talents like Luke and Cam without building a roster with a strong foundation. Defense - Frankie Luvu is the best player on defense these last two games. He gets sacks and TFLs throughout the game. - Defense didn't skip a beat after Shaq went down - We can't consistently stop the run. Especially on short-yardage downs. TLDR; there needs to be a brutal and honest player evaluation at the end of the season. Every decision should be made around making Bryce Young successful.

At the game. Too many routes near the line of scrimmage or within 5 yards which is inviting pressure and Saints to play downhill.

Ridder is horrible. Last week's loss reminds me of the EJ Manuel lost in 2012. Literally have to beat yourself multiple times for QBs like that to win.

Thoughts on trading Chinn to the Lions for Jameson Williams? I know Williams is suspended for the first six games, but he had great chemistry with Bryce at Alabama and can stretch the filed (4.25 40)

Self inflicted wounds.

On paper this is the deepest quality of receiving targets we've had in a while. I think Hayden Hurst is an upgrade from Ian Thomas. You don't have to account for Ian as a receiver and it was embarrassing running TEs screen for him. I'm still optimistic about Terrace Marshall Jr. He flashed once Rhule was fired and no longer buried behind Shi Smith, whole Rhule favored. I'm thinking with Mingo, Theilen, Chark, Marshall, Miles Sanders, and Hurst - Bryce has options for short, intermediate, and deep routes which will keep defenses on its toes.

Need a pass rusher opposite of Burns. Yetur, Barno, and Haynes are rotational guys. Also, need to assume Donte Jackson and Corbett may not be the same level of players as starters after they suffered serious injuries, so CB and RG. Based on positional value. I say target OLB at 39. CB round 3 or trade back into the second. Then you find a good Guard in the 4th round. All the top guards are still avaiable unless you consider Peter Skoronski as a guard.

I hope we get a RG though. Not sure if Corbett will fully recover from ACL injury

Need to see how they play their final season of college. I remember when guys like Brian Brohm, Christen Hackenburg, and Ryan Mallet were projected as top 3 picks heading into their final season. Even Sam Howell after his first year at UNC was talked about as a surefire top 5 pick after one season.

Agreed. I think Young's highlights kind of do him a disservice if you don't watch Alabama or college football in general. Most of those highlights have him extending plays for 5 to 6 seconds. It gives the expression that he can't make the routine plays from the pocket. I would also suggest if you have time watch a full game. That's where you notice the number of pre-snap protection and adjustments he made. I think Saban mentioned giving him 2 plays before the snap then Young will read the defense and make the play call. Does are the little things you don't see on the highlight video or all passes video that matrer.

This is a snippet from Danes Brugler scouting report on Stroud to support your point. He is still graded favorably as the No. 2 QB and 4th overall prospect WEAKNESSES: guilty of locking and lingering on his preferred read … accustomed to being protected very well in the pocket … subpar backfield elusiveness will lead to punishment from NFL pass rushers … inconsistent ability to reset and figure out plan B when the defense fools him … capable of using his legs to scramble (forced 3 missed tackles in the Peach Bowl against Georgia), but was an inconsistent improviser and didn’t look comfortable escaping for the majority of his OSU career (only 1 missed tackle in his first 27 games) … benefited from an all-star cast around him SUMMARY: A two-year starter at Ohio State, Stroud was a record-setting passer for the Buckeyes in head coach Ryan Day’s multiple spread offense. While leading the FBS in touchdown passes (41) in 2022, Stroud broke Drew Brees’ Big Ten record for the most touchdowns in a two-year span and finished with 17 Ohio State records (second in school history with 8,123 career passing yards). Structurally sound, Stroud throws with patience and poise and he can make all the throws. Though he appears comfortable on plays designed to move his launch point, his improvisation skills when things break down are a work in progress (his outstanding performance on the 2022 Georgia tape raises the level of optimism). Overall, Stroud must become more comfortable embracing his athleticism and escapability, but he is an outstanding rhythm passer with touch, pacing and ball-speed control to carve up the defense. His passing skills give him an encouraging floor as an NFL starter and his development as a creator will ultimately determine his NFL ceiling. GRADE: 1st Round (No. 4 overall)

I agree that Brees and Wilson were not first-rounders because they were undersized. However, Brees (2001) and Wilson (2012) were drafted over a decade ago and their success at QB paved the way for Kyler Murray to go #1 overall. Bryce Young will be a size outlier, practically everyone acknowledges it, including the Panthers. Honestly, his size is what opened the playing field for CJ Stroud, Anthony Richardson, and Will Levis into the discussion at #1. Assuming Young is the pick at 1, the other 3 Qbs had every opportunity to convince the staff through their tape, private interviews and workouts they should be the guy. Yet, they didn't close the gap. Finally, the question about the hits that Cam took are more relevant for Anthony Richardson, who will have designed runs called for him.

Thanks for sharing. Could you articulate to us why Stroud is the safe bet or best QB prospect in this draft?

The injury concern with Bryce frame are for potential collarbone and labrum injuries. It's actually interesting that Justin Herbert is the one with history of a broken collarbone in 2017 and a torn shoulder labrum on Jan 2023. Kyler has joint AC sprain in 2020 and didn't miss a game. The rest of his injuries are lower body anoncontactntact ACL tear. https://www.draftsharks.com/fantasy/injury-history/justin-herbert/10488

"When Young was at Alabama, according to one of his coaches, he could see the field so well that the Tide scrapped a lot of their run-pass option concepts—plays that usually lead to open receivers and easier-to-digest defensive looks for developing quarterbacks—and installed more professional-style reads. The same coach says that Young was handed a thick packet every Sunday that detailed the entire game plan for the following Saturday. By Monday morning, he had it digested and would offer suggestions for altering protections and adjusting routes. When the QB’s time at Alabama was done, Bill O’Brien, the Tide’s offensive coordinator the last two years, told Kevin Pearson, Young’s old coach at Cathedral High, that the two smartest players he’d ever coached were Young and Tom Brady." This excerpt from the article is what has me sold. The high processing, S2 score, and commitment to his craft translates on the field.

I think it was yesterday he mentioned something similar to that on WFNZ. Also, he wrote an article about a week ago that Richardson is still in the mix at 1.

If it's true that the team is running an offense more similar to Nick Sirianni's than Doug Pederson's then the trade-down could be for Anthony Richardson. I would consider if Texans offered #2, #12, and a 3rd rounder. Run heavy offense with deep threats. Look to target Darnell Washington TE Georgia and Jaylin Hyatt WR Tennessee

I watched the video. I like that he had the LSU and Texas game because if you watch the full games you're able to see a QB that has a plan B when the defense has an answer to plan A. I'm an LSU fan, we pressured Bryce on 40% of his dropbacks and used Harold Perkins, our OLB as a spy. It took a 2pt conversion in OT to prevent Alabama from getting the ball back on offense because the momentum started to shift. Bryce's deficiencies are well-documented in every scouting report. I don't know one report that doesn't mention he will be a size outlier and doesn't have elite arm strength. He has one strike against him to start. Therefore, I argue that his tape is scrutinized even more because he doesn't fit the prototype. Yet, the majority of those same scouting reports still have him as the No.1 rated QB or even the No.1 overall prospect.

With all that elite ball placement and talent at OSU. Can you point us to the one signature win, CJ had for your Buckeyes? Did you beat Michigan, Win BIG 10, or go to Championship game? The OP comments is actually my concern about Stroud. His lack of off-schedule plays and primarily stationary style of play will be enough to take you to the divisional round or wildcard but when playoff games are decided by 7 points or less, CJ doesn't make the requisite plays. The AFC championship game was decided by 4 points, the SB by 3.

Any input about CJ Stroud? I haven't heard anything after his pro day about the Panthers continued interest in him. I have about Young and Anthony Richardson

This is Scott Fitterer 3 weeks ago about Young's arm strength “Thought he was very fluid, very poised,” Fitterer said. “Ball came out of his hand nice and easy — plenty of arm strength. I think, overall, he managed to do well. “Saw a lot of good things out of him. Very in control, very poised. It’s just like you thought it would be. I know I heard comments around me, like, ‘Hey, his arm is better in person than I thought,’ [from] coaches that had only seen tape. That’s from other teams, but it’s always good to hear things like that.” He doesn't have the level of the arm of Mahomes or Josh Allen. However, he can make the necessary throws that will keep defenses honest and more importantly he can read breaks and anticipate throws as the windows in the NFL are smaller and you will have to throw guys open. The only questions I have about Young is his durability and limiting some of his "hero" ball plays at the next level. Otherwise, I just have to go by his durability of only missing 1 game in 27 starts at Alabama, then coaches that we have in place to work on that internal clock of knowing when a play is over.

I will accept any QB they choose at 1. They are the experts and will have to deal with the consequences if the QB doesn't pan out. However, I've preferred Bryce over the other quarterbacks. I don't think any sensible fan of his has ignored concerns about his frame. Yet, the inner workings of being a successful QB, he has it in spades. Stroud is a good prospect at QB. He would have been the first QB taken last year. My concern about him has been his lack of off-schedule plays and his ability to elevate those around him. I don't see him as a game-changer. I think he's best served having a team with a better roster like the Raiders trading up to No.2 to pair him with an established player like Devonte Adams.

Texans give up No. 2, No. 12, Derek Stingley JR, or Browns 2024 1st draft pick that they own. I don't see the Texans giving up multiple draft picks to move up to 1. I see them taking Will Anderson and taking their chances with next year's group of QBs if they aren't sold on Stroud, Levis, or Richardson.

There is no test or score with 100% accuracy that will predict if a QB will bust or not in the NFL. However, from what I'm reading the S2 score is more weighty than the wonderlic test and is another piece of the puzzle to evaluating prospects. Bryce's high score and previous experience taking the test in high school - says a couple of things to me. One, his high level of focus and preparation for the NFL. This correlates with Scott Fitterer saying Bryce mental approach is already at an NFL level and Saban describing him as an extra coach on the field this past season. Second, his instincts and feel for the game. His processing level on the test translates on the field. He has a good pre and post read understanding of what the defense is trying to do. It's different when you see a guy run a 4.3 at the combine, but on film looks like a 4.5 guy. Which makes the coach or scout take a second look at the tape From what I've gathered Bryce has won on the film and tests like S2 and interviews confirm what is on the tape.