Khyber53

Did we see the same movie? Watched it last night. Three hour snooze fest obviously written in someone's angst-filled Forever 21 journal. Pattison walking around with the black makeup around his eyes just made me think he was Robert Smith of The Cure fighting crime. At least Halle Berry isn't the worst Catwoman anymore. Wow, Zoe Kravitz is to acting what her dad Lenny is to classic rock. And worst mask of all time... did no one even go "Hey, are you sure you want it to look like a toboggan with a chinstrap that's being used as a nose wiper?" The Riddler and his Army of Incels, well, that was definitely a new take. Basically it turn Oliver from the Brady Bunch into a psycho. So many things were ripped off to make this movie, and poorly in the process. Se7en was lifted from whole cloth and the scene with the capture of Riddler began with a riff on Edward Hopper's The Nighthawks. Honestly, they did the whole thing better on Gotham, and Gotham wasn't that great. And don't get me started on the Batmobile. It was like some kind of trailer park fever dream kit car, that was inexplicably rear engine AND rear-wheel drive. Step on the gas and that thing is just going to start doing donuts whether you want it to or not. And the big car chase? How many people died fiery deaths and neither Batman or Commissioner (soon to be) Gordon don't bat an eye for even a moment. Sound was terrible and the dialogue was nearly inaudible for the first quarter of the movie. Lighting was non-existent in that "I wanna be edgy and film noir AND let's not put too much into the scene dressings" vein of direction. The one moment that the movie becomes self-aware and laughs at itself, the flying squirrel suit escape, did crack up my whole family, but we couldn't even try to take it seriously from then on out. I want those three hours of my life back. Is it the worst Batman movie so far? Nah, the Joel Schumacher Batsuit with Nipples ones take that cake, but woof this one was lousy. For someone to have such great starting material and lore, so much funding for the project and access to such top level actors (except as mentioned above), to turn that dreck out is pretty mystifying.

Best case scenario.

I've got to agree. His instincts make him a better linebacker. My only worry is that his build might be a bit slight for the role and I'd worry about his durability there. Still, how he played at LB was spectacular and once he left that position we suffered.

Kyler Murray doesn't look old enough to fly on a plane by himself to New York, much less QB a football team. As someone else here once said, "He's just two little kids in a trench coat."

So great to see that! I liked your OP, and I think that Detroit is going to go QB and take Willis in an effort to jump start that nearly dead franchise. They've got the kind of coach that can make that happen and a desperate need to slough off the old turtle shell they've been wearing. And that could well leave us with an excellent tackle at pick #6. I think there's even a chance that Neal goes first between the two because of the Alabama powerhouse program thing. The program has better pro credentials than NC State. And I'd love to see Ickey end up here. If we trade back, wayyy back, what chance do you think there is that we really swerve and stay away from QB and OT? I've said we need Linderbaum for long-term planning here, but honestly, we need a first class LB and no one is talking about that. If we're sitting back at say pick 16-20, and Nakobe Dean is still on the board, do we pull the trigger?

Get the name of a good therapist for the guy and his ex, then send him a polite note on a slip of pink paper. Then officially release the contract and move on. We don't have to have a team of choir boys, but we DO need to have a team of good men.

I'm not agreeing with all of your previous statements, but that Romanowski and Incognito were thugs of the worst kind. To be honest, I think Dan Morgan during his playing time could be considered one as well. The guy had a penchant for dishing out concussions, including at least one to a rookie teammate that pretty much ended his career.

The credit cards always win in the end. Always.

Everyone always thinks they can outsmart the credit cards. No one ever really does.

Fitter-magic! Can somebody just pull the lever and flush this regime? We're stuck with Tepper but surely we can move on from this set of failed experiments, hopefully a little wiser now.

Tepper's brass balls were bought on Sharper Image and it shows.

I don't think much will help this franchise until there's a regime change.

Mills, not Darnold, you dolt.

There sure are a lot of things Tepper says/wants that haven't come to fruition. Might be a good thing that he's full of hot air. Maybe some of the important stuff will remain here.

Mayfield will also be playing angry from all reports.

Both these guys are coming from programs where they proved they can succeed in the NFL, both are also coming in from offseason shoulder/arm surgeries. Both were replaced by high draft pick QBs and both came from some of the most competitive divisions in the league. I'm going to postulate that one of these guys is going to play lights out when they come back. Not like Drew Brees heading to New Orleans, but potentially like a Ryan Tannehill in Tennessee. If we caught that guy and had that success, then it would be great. The problem is, which one of the guys? If you get the one, then it's better than a draft pick QB. If you get the wrong one, you're probably stuck again like we've been since Cam's shoulder went out.

Any one of which would be an upgrade here. Look, I'm not a huge Jimmy G fan, but it would probably (probably) be an improvement for us. Still, with this coaching staff, they could turn Drew Brees (2012-ish vintage say) into a five win, 20 TD, 12 INT QB. No matter who we get to play QB, if the coaches can't call a pro-level game, then it doesn't matter.

Sheesh, wouldn't it be nice to just have play off stats? It's been a long time since we've had any here.

Honestly, I felt that Garoppolo had tremendous upside as a trade. He's a winner, if not a spectacular star guy, and he brings a good set of skills to the table. He's also been part of two successful programs and that helps in the locker room. And then there was the shoulder surgery. And no one knows what we'll have after the fact. He might be fine. He might even be better. Or he could be like Cam and just the husk of the QB he used to be and an actual liability in the passing game. Whereas I might have been hopeful if he'd been the QB pick up before, now I'm really worried that he might be and that we'd be hamstrung by the trade and another broken QB who isn't up to snuff.

After the draft, the prices on QBs like Baker and Jimmy will come down immensely. And I still hope we hold off. I don't think we should allow a coach fighting for his job to endanger future drafts.

Honestly, we should have just kept Taylor Heinicke and skipped the whole Teddy and Sammy show and built the o-line. We wouldn't have been any worse off.

Just thinking the same thing this morning. It is imminently harder to find and snag a Jake Delhomme than it is to find a Cam Newton type. Both are unicorns in their own way, but the Newtons are so incredibly obvious that no one could miss on picking them. Delhommes, well, they're out there, sitting on someone's bench, doing great in preseason and just waiting for their chance. I keep thinking there's got to be one somewhere...

I believe that even if they put him out there, they won't fully believe he can do it. And that'll affect play calling. And that will affect quarterbacking. And that will affect winning.

And processing speed. The game is too fast and too complex at this level for all but a handful of human beings at this time. Toughest position to play on any team sport and for good reason.

I wish you were wrong, but there's a lot of truth to this. And I'm not sure that Lawrence will ever pan out. Just too many question marks about coaching and the team around him there. I think out of the whole bunch, Mac Jones found himself in the best spot and will probably have the best career. (Yes there was that single digit pass attempts game, but that was also the game plan due to the weather).