Khyber53

Was so hoping Rhule would rip off his headset, take off that smock and toss it into the crowd and head for the tunnel in the third quarter. Very disappointed that it didn't happen.

And then we don't have to look at Rhule's smug face as he explains how all of this went to crap over the last two years. No more excuses. No more processes to trust. No more lame ass Jay-Z references. Just the bliss of watching teams in the play-offs. Some pretenders, some contenders and one winner. And all of them better than the dreck we were saddled with. Just one more game while we sit there ashamed of what our team has become. Sure, it looks like he'll be back for next season as head coach. And he'll bring the same clowns along that already ride with his posse. But for a little while, before the combine and Senior Bowl and draft, we call all watch some decent football and pretend Matt Rhule isn't our team's coach. Bliss, even if it's imaginary and short-lived.

And the Saints really weren't doing much. That wasn't a competitive team we were facing. It was the worst Saints team in more than a decade that just beat us. Beat us in a miserable, JV, long, slow, disappointing game regardless of what team you were pulling for. Two mules fighting over a turnip.

Who's getting fired at the end of this season if not Rhule? Apparently the fanbase.

On a 4th and 22, Rhule tries to send Cam into the game. Cam says, "Nah man, I'm good," and goes back to Instagram on the Microsoft Surface pad.

Apparently Nicole Tepper isn't fooling around with her husband anymore, so he's just going to screw us for the next year or so.

Bologna sammiches. Why bother if the team won't?

This is the nobody wants to win bowl, brought to you by angst, disbelief and that nagging cough that won't go away. Saints 21 Panthers 18 And it will be like watching two mules fight over a turnip. No one cares who wins, but there it is anyway.

He was one of the good ones. RIP

Can we be just a little bit less creepy stalkery?

Quinn had an ace QB, a HoF receiver, decent running game, fair to better line work, a defense that was at least a decent speed bump. He couldn't compete in the NFCSouth and against the rest of the league. His team just basically quit on him. He's an excellent DC. That's a very valuable thing. He should stay at that level and just be great.

I understand. I hope you understand my reluctance about it. Our pro personnel pick-ups during the season (definitely during Morgan's tenure) have been better than those before his arrival. Abdullah has been excellent. Gilmore has been as well. We've rotated through kickers like crazy, managing to get a decent one in Gonzalez and possibly one in Hajrullahu. And Edwards has been a good replacement for Charlton. That's probably more special teams flexing than most managers have to do in a season. Maybe Morgan is worth the salt, but I just keep looking at Fitt's choices brought before Rhule and think there's just a lot lacking in them, both draftees and vets. And let's face it, there's not another batch of Temple and Baylor guys out there to sift through again. I'd be happy to retain Morgan, and if Fitt gets another season that's what it is, and it could be bearable without Rhule. But there's always that scary look-into-the-Abyss moment when we have to consider that we may roll into the 2022 season with the same staff in place across the board. Woof.

I do understand what you're getting at here. And you make a good point. My problem is that in the preseason and draft time, Fitterer made such a big deal out of "being in on every deal" and working hard to make trades and get more draft capital for the team. And then the results of his labors hit the field like a half-baked loaf of bread: soft, doughy and completely unable to rise to the occasion. Yes, Fitterer may have been saddled with Rhule's guidance, but when he ran out there to get resources, he just didn't get much that was any good. Reddick was good to great, and Gilmore was a potentially a short-term rental that may be gone with free agency. They didn't balance out that offensive line, the Robby Anderson extension and nowhere near the Sam Darnold debacle. He hit on an Edge rusher (who played stout in the run game, too) and on at least one of what 12 defensive backs? I just don't think his talent evaluation is that good when it comes to free agents. His contract negotiations so far include Anderson and picking up Darnold's fifth year before the kid had ever thrown a meaningful pass for us. And draft? We can go into how many top linemen and QBs he passed on. Did he make those decisions or did Rhule? We'll never know, but just like getting stuck in a bad group project, a failing grade paints the whole group, not just the guilty parties. I think we need a clean slate. And someone get Luke back before he signs on as the DC at Buffalo.

We'll be fielding a team the likes of which haven't been seen since the Scab teams of the 1987 strike. On the good side, our coaches are good to go, so they'll be up to par with the talent on the field.

Nothing surprises me anymore.

Does it really matter where we draft if we still can't evaluate talent?

Joe Judge, just Matt Rhule with a couple of days wait.

Does it really matter? It's not like he can be fired from ownership of the team. Heck, Washington's owner is accused of doing much, much more than Richardson did and no one is moving to remove him and force a sale. If anything, it makes the Richardson sale of the Panthers look a bit contrived, a way for Richardson to sell out without making a mess out of minority partners or perhaps a suit from his heirs to rest control of the team. In the end, I don't think Tepper has made many right decisions here. He seems more interested in investing money into the team, the amenities, the surrounding areas to those amenities and a frikkin' soccer team. What he isn't investing, it appears, is much time or intellect into understanding the fan base or professional football. In short, he's a modern billionaire... he knows how to reap profits, but doesn't really care about planting the seeds for tomorrow's harvest.

We couldn't beat Baylor right now.

All those seasons I defended our team by saying, at least we weren't the Browns, or the Jags, or the Lions. Welp, I guess that's who we're going to be. Welcome to years of games that will be like watching someone kick your favorite dog. Every frikkin' week. It's not too late for ownership to change this. But damn, they seem as entrenched in this bad idea as possible.

Panthers north will probably have him as their DC after the coaching carousel hits.

And yet, still an upgrade over what we've had. Oh, these days, they are tough ones.

Oh, how I wish it was better news you were having to talk about.

Some folks can rock any look with incredible style. Cam is certainly one of those folks. Robby is just a fugging moron and is nowhere near the style icon that Cam is. That being said, Cam's hairstyle required a bigger helmet and you can see him adjusting and readjusting it through the games. Must be bothersome, hope it doesn't become a safety issue for him.