kungfoodude

I am concerned that most of Tepper's dreams have been Panther fan nightmares. Also concerned about him jumping the shark again. I like the guy too....I do.....but please don't fuging fixate again.

Goddammit. Someone beat me to this.

You have to be really sold on Lamar if you give up a massive haul. If I have my choice, I probably get Derek Carr and keep the picks. Lamar is obviously better than Carr but is Lamar + the increased money + draft picks better than Carr? I don't a situation where that math easily works in our favor. It could very well POTENTIALLY end up in our favor. That's a tough one without knowing the price in advance.

It is some special level of coping mechanism or Bad QB Stockholm Syndrome. Can you imagine, one of these stained t-shirt, basement dwellers talking to an NFL GM and giving some speech on how the QB isn't important to winning in the NFL? Not even Skip Bayless or Colin Cowturd could deliver that troll opinion with a straight face.

So the other elite QB prospect that led that comeback was not relevant. Got it. At least we all know to immediately discount any opinion you have on NFL QB's.

I can't root for the 49ers. I have an insufferable 49ers fan buddy. I will never hear the end of it.

Okay. You meant to reply to them, I am guessing.

I wasn't referring to Rhule.

He bounced around but is the Foreskins kicker now. Better FG%, worse XP %

TBH, yes. Even if he does something that the Huddle generally agrees with, continuing to lose/fail will be his fault. The difference being that our opinions are based on literally just observation of the process, whereas(in theory) Tepper has direct access to(supposedly) knowledgeable football people and an entire interview and background process. He has much better tools for success at his disposal than we do. That doesn't assure success but repeatedly failing at this task is generally a hallmark of poor ownership and management.

In fairness, we can make some "win now" moves and lead to us winning. Really, we are a good HC and a decent QB away from being NFC South favorites. Now, a great team?? That is gonna take some more building.

Gano has been lights out since we kicked him to the curb. It's a Panthers tradition at this point. The only one we haven't regretted is Joey fuging Slye.

My anonymous source specifically named your anonymous source and said he was a liar. Also said that your breath smelled like stale Cheetos. I'll never give up my source. I will never give up @Jeremy Igo

I am not sure how anyone is making that statement with no coach and staff on board yet.

Yeah, this is Pinero and it's not really that close. Zane was a solid kicker but Eddy just put up one of the best kicking years in franchise history.

Johnson or Steichen are at the top of my list. Excited to see so many good candidates.

Carr at $35/year? So I assume this is Darnold at $0/year? Otherwise that math isn't correct.

I mean, that sounds about right for the basis of your argument. Try watching some Derek Carr film at some point. There is no comparison.

Yeah, I mean I really just don't think you actually have watched Carr this year or any year if you think that.

There isn't even a comparison between the two QB's. Carr is in the group of QB's just behind the elite QB's in the NFL(three time Pro Bowler) and Darnold would be considered a mid-tier backup at best. Not to mention that Carr's three worst NFL seasons would be close to Sam Darnold's best three in QBR/QB Rating. The statistical comparison on averages alone makes this insanely laughable. Carr would immediately make the Panthers(depending on HC, obviously) the prohibitive NFC South favorite. But......the price tag is likely to be high. And will the owner buy off on another re-tread QB after the past few offseasons?

Yeah, this is literally what I am talking about.

I don't mind it as much because I tend to lean heavily towards the players on the labor issue. That said, I don't know that I would want Lamar on a fully guaranteed deal either.

The issue is that you can get a decent tight end that can do what you are describing in the 2nd to 4th rounds. So....why spend a top 10 pick on that guy? If you want a Kittle or Kelce, that is worth a top 10 pick. But....you better hope he is that guy. Ultimately this is about drafting way, way, way outside of positional value. The only time that ever really makes sense is for a truly elite, HOF caliber player. Positional value exists for a reason....it's literally set by the current value in the NFL.

The bigger issue is that you are angling for an elite guy worth that pick and there are maybe 3-5 of those in the NFL at any one time. Those are really the only guys that are worth that kind of draft capital. So, you REALLY need to nail that pick.

Lamar is the next one to watch on that. He wants a fully guaranteed contract and the owners are getting pretty upset about these fulluly guaranteed deals. If he gets his way, you might see even more of them.