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I think so. Cutting him also lends some credence to this imo, because you reduce the risk to your QB room as well. Although I can also understand a team wanting to make sure a rookie doesn't feel like he has to look over his shoulder at the former MVP behind him. I hope Cam gets vaccinated because if he does I'm pretty sure he'll be starting for someone by year's end, or at least be a backup.

Relevant to this conversation: From https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/09/05/hesitation-to-sign-cam-newton-comes-from-history-of-injuries-throwing-issues/ "This same source bristled loudly at former Patriots linebacker Rob Ninkovich’s recent suggestion that Newton didn’t understand the playbook, and that a rookie quarterback had to help him learn it. Newton was with the Patriots throughout 2020. They chose to re-sign him. Less than two weeks ago, Newton was described by Bill Belichick as the starter. (Offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels said the same thing, a day earlier.) The source believes that a bunch of former Patriots players (such as Ninkovich) had a hard time with Tom Brady leaving and Cam Newton replacing Brady. Also, pointing to potential red herrings like playbook issues or distractions from music being played at practice cover up the basic truth. Cam was the starter until he failed to comply with a fairly basic aspect of the rule applicable to unvaccinated players. Thus, the decision to make him not the starter flowed directly from his vaccination status and the ever-present possibility that he won’t be available to play or to practice."

I agree with this. We've heard the same shitty narrative from people outside orgs about Cam his entire career. Surprisingly the shitty narrative is the same one applied to most QBs with his skin color. Who would have thought? The idea Cam can't pick up a playbook is bullshit. To the extent that QBs help each other learn, sure. The idea that Jones walks in and teaches cam the playbook? Bullshit.

This was actually a nice read and although I think Burns will be improved in run D, I can totally get thinking that is an advantage for the Jets. Can't argue with most others at all.

Cam was also a bigger name than any of the others and is still technically a player in the NFL. And yet we did have a lengthy thread about the clothes Luke wore to a different team's training camp, so non-Panthers threads aren't crazy for franchise icons.

I don't know why it's on a t-shirt, but I found the segment kind of endearing.

I'm just hoping this thread goes all season, and CP digs deep down and finds a way to make this monstrosity make it to the Huddle Hall of Fame.

You'd think we'd let go of the past and embrace the glory of Sam Darnold, Ian Thomas, and Jermaine Carter.

Not around here they won't. Greg, Smitty, Luke, etc all retired and people still talk about them plenty.

There was no indication Cam was a distraction in the traditional sense of the word in New England. Now, being unvaccinated can create a distraction for the team in the covid era, and that carries a large risk with it all things considered. And it seems that is likely why he lost his job. Cam is probably still better than some of the backup QBs out there, so it really depends on if he'd accept such a role, and if a team wants to risk an unvaccinated roster spot... He may be better than what HOU has starting too, lol.

He did. I didn't see him play but he has pretty good numbers... In limited time in 2 games he had 3 tds, 1 int, couple hundred yards and a high completion %: Game 1: 7/12, 96 yards, 1 TD, 1 int. Game 2: 9/10, 123 yards, 2 TDs, 0 ints...

Analysts were regularly picking us to win our division before Cams injuries, and we won 3 straight division crowns with him. I'm sorry if you don't think that's relevant nationally, we don't have to agree, but I disagree.

I lived in central Massachusetts for years... Nobody knew any Panthers save some people that knew Smitty until Cam was drafted. Plenty of people would talk about Cam, knew about Cam, etc in the early/mid 2010s, and we'd talk Panthers etc, the games vs the Pats... So yeah. Cam brought national attention to the team.

And I'm pretty sure that misunderstanding wouldn't have been a thing if he'd been vaccinated.... I love Cam and feel we really didn't do right by him over much of his career given his talent, but this feels like something that is in large part of his own making...

I'd still take it. Addition by subtraction...

The PJ Walker coup has begun!!!!!

Darnold rarely had more than those 2.6 seconds, it seemed. He will need to stretch the field at some point, but he showed the arm strength to fit the ball in tight windows, and place it in a great place for yac.

All of this started because I said you weren't right with Robby getting within 250k of 15M/year. Now if you'd said you were >1M off I wouldn't have responded... So, either explain with your third grade math how 41.5 over 3 years is within 250k of 15m/year or maybe admit you were wrong. I admit the numbers I'd quoted didn't tell the whole story. I don't mind admitting my mistakes - fug, I post here while drinking. Of course I'm wrong sometimes lol. And hell, you don't get where I am in my career by always being right. You, though, act like a condescending dick while refusing to acknowledge your mistakes.

What is 3/41.5 and how is it 14.75? Please tell me how. Demonstrate your sixth grade math skills to me. Just a reminder my initial response was to the claim that he got 14.75m/year: You wanna say we are both wrong? I'm fine admitting that I was going off cash paid amounts and not salary cap, unintentionally. Are you willing to admit you were just wrong and he didn't get within 250k by your own 6th grade math?

1) Lol goalpost moving at what the team cares about... That the team cares about his cap hit and not what they pay him when is completely something I agree with. However, if we're talking about how much the player is actually making across the duration of his remaining time here, it doesn't make much sense to look at only 2 years of his cap hit when it covers 3 years. That is what my point was a bit earlier, why I was calling out the 2022 numbers vs his cap hit, etc. ALL of this started because of an argument of if he is making $14.75M/year over the duration of the contract, lol, and my point has been all along that it isn't a 2 year contract but a 2 year extension. 2) You claimed multiple reporters, me, and other posters made up numbers. I showed you where they originated. That they weren't described as "cash paid" in the press is irrelevant; they weren't made up, clearly, as the likelihood of a bunch of reporters all having sources telling something that happened to actually be real but was actually fake at the time is nonsensical. The point is nobody was making poo up and you're just flying off the handle at nothing. That is the point.

Right right, but it would be a little ridiculous to talk about average salary ignoring a year of the contract, yah? So since this contract includes 2021, shouldn't we include that if we're talking about how much the player is making per year? That's what gets back to if this is $14.75M/year or not... The reality is it isn't that simple. The cash paid numbers match the reported numbers across multiple sources *exactly* and you actually think it's something that a bunch of reporters and posters just made up? Whomever was circulating it did it for a reason. Turns out it isn't the full story, which is fine, and I appreciate you pointing that out.

edit2: nevermind, not worth it

I think this conversation gets more interesting if we exclude Cam, tbh. Or we assume QB is already Cam, haha. In that case, Luke seems like the next best choice... but imagine if we have the opportunity to give Prime Cam Prime Gross AND Prime Kalil ? I feel like we would just walk all over EVERYONE, lol.

Year Team Base Salary Prorated Bonus Roster Bonus Workout Bonus Guaranteed Salary Cap Number Cap % Cash Paid 2021 Panthers $990,000 $7,836,666 $0 $0 $990,000 $8,826,666 4.8% $12,500,000 2022 Panthers $10,000,000 $3,836,666 $2,800,000 $200,000 $8,000,000 $16,836,666 8.1% $13,000,000 2023 Panthers $8,800,000 $3,836,668 $3,000,000 $200,000 $0 $15,836,668 7.0% $12,000,000 This is a table from OTC, https://overthecap.com/player/robby-anderson/5208/ . The Cash Paid is where the numbers everyone is quoting comes from, from the Charlotte Observer to the Athletic to people on this fuging forum. Stop saying I'm - or other people are - making poo up, dude. Seriously. Here's reality: NFL contracts are weird and complicated as poo. Some of may be working on old info. Or maybe you are. Not everyone that may not be reading things the same way as you - maybe even not correctly - is just making poo up. We coulda had a conversation about contract numbers, cash paid vs cap hit, bonuses, and instead you come in here beating your chest without paying poo all attention to anything. Maybe you know more than me about this poo, or maybe you're just an internet asshole, but we're probably never gonna know.

Cam and Gross, but I feel like Cam is an unfair pick all things considered since the mix of positional weakness and what we have makes him such an easy pick. If we exclude Cam it becomes more interesting, just because then its a question of Gross + Kalil, or Gross + Luke, or even Jake + Gross?