ImfromClayton

I like the wild and crazy stuff. I like the traditional stuff. It's the blend of the two that looks awful to me. When we go all blue, it looks way better with the black helmet. Blue jerseys with silver pants looks better with silver helmet. Every other pair of pants looks better with the black. When we go all black, it looks better with the black helmet. Silver pants = silver helmet. When we go all white, it looks way better traditional, with the silver helmet. Silver pants = silver helmet. black or blue pants = black helmet. ^^^ These should be the rules. I've enjoyed the creativity, but we look downright silly, like a 6 year old with a madden controller some weeks. I'm a sucker for white/white and black/silver though.

I think Rico is really good, but he has an insanely small sample size here. Look at the production in Dallas. He was good there too, with an extremely good O-line. That said, what he's done here the last two weeks is not sustainable. At some point, the production will decrease, or he's the best player in the history of the league. Those are the two options.

Rico has been awesome, but we just played two of the worst run defenses in football. Let's take it easy before we trade away our best players. Rico has definitely earned more carries and a much more expanded role. Multiple things can be true. We also have Dowdle on a one year deal, and I'm not sure how likely we are to extend him. He's 27 and RB's tend to fall off a cliff in their late 20's.

What I like most about Dan is that it appears he values production over measurables. I know that's ironic considering the XL situation, but I also think you are far less likely to miss if you draft that way.

I don't think it's swings as much as the positive people post after wins and the negative people post after losses. Most people haven't changed their minds on much. I'm overly positive. Tend to avoid the board after a loss.

Derrick Brown is one of the most unsung heroes in the history of our franchise. He's played almost entirely through the dark ages, but he is an absolutely dominant, game wrecking force. He's definitely the best player we've had since 1 and 59. If he had played on a better team he'd likely be a HOF type player. The team was absolutely miserable, but if we had even been decent he'd have had a case for DPOY in 2023. He's legit one of the best DT's I've ever seen.

I'm a big fan of Dan. His ability to find productive players deep in the draft will pay off. I'm going to give him 1.5 draft classes right now, because I do think it's a little unfair to evaluate his first year when he got the job in January, especially when we went into that draft not having a first round pick. XL and Brooks are still big time TBD players. Both still have incredibly high ceilings, but both have also given us legitimate reasons to have a lot of pause. Trevin Wallace, Chau Smith Wade and Jatavion Sanders have IMO outplayed their draft position early in their careers. That's a great thing. He also got Coker and Demani Richardson as UDFAs that year. Given the situation we were in, I really don't mind the gamble on the high ceiling guys. Still may work out, still may not, but if you made a checklist of ideal situation for an NFL GM to walk into, ours was near the bottom of that list. Every single 2025 pick is contributing in some way. That typically doesn't happen. I am absolutely blown away by this draft class 6 games in. Even the best GM's miss on occasion, and we can't expect Dan to be 100% on drafts moving forward. Ryan Fitzgerald was an excellent find as well. Comparing our last two drafts to the previous few is pretty shocking. Can you imagine this season without our Rookies? It would not be good. Additionally, this roster only has 6 players with more than 6 years of experience, and two of those are specialist. The next step is equally important, and still very much TBD. We have to avoid Cap Chaos.

We don't have to tear down Dak to appreciate what Bryce did yesterday. Dak had 0 running game. If the cowboys were better, he'd be a legit MVP candidate if he keeps playing this way. They did it with Ceedee last year, but they do a better job of anybody we play consistently of getting their best receiver off Jaycee. Bryce was good too. If we just catch the ball that was intercepted, we probably win by 7+, and Bryce goes over 200 yards passing. Biggest shift the last few weeks has been play calling. I thought Canales abandoned the run game way to early at times last year. This year he really seems to be sticking with it. I still think Chuba is better at making 4 yards when there's nothing there, but Rico is better at making 30 yards when there's 6 there. I like the direction. Hopefully we can get Moton, Sanders and Coker back and really be dangerous. Our play action game is pretty deadly right now. Unrelated: My favorite quality about Bryce right now is his ability to see the defensive hold and throw the ball there. He EXPOSES the officials when they don't call it. That one on Tetaroia yesterday late in the game was a bad miss on their part.

I'm one of the bigger Bryce defenders on this board, but this is a natural consequence of being on a terrible team. While I do think it's to his credit that he doesn't freak out in those moments, It sure would be nice to be playing with a lead more often so he doesn't have quite as many opportunities to do this.

https://x.com/4thand1show/status/1975274357174784272?s=46 saw this this morning and came to post something similar. I didn’t just love the team or the wins, I loved those dudes man. They put everything they had out there every Sunday. You didn’t see a rep where anybody on that field was low effort in that era, and if you did they were quickly sent packing.

I agree with PFF almost entirely. I thought Mike Jack struggled yesterday. I think that injury hampered him. Offense in general was very solid. If bryce doesn't have that ridiculous fumble, he's probably a top 4 player for us. Legette was much better. Primary linebackers had good days. I think were a poor matchup defensively with the dolphins, so the way yesterday transpired really surprised me. Kudos to the players and coaches to adjust after a first quarter in which I thought Darren Waller may break records. If we can find a pass rush and some linebackers, I love the young group we have on both sides of the ball.

He was much better yesterday against the Dolphins. In fact I thought he had a very good game. Our LB's did a good job adjusting to the RPO stuff they ran early. But he's not the long term answer. He's been consistently poor in his short tenure here. If he runs off a few more solid games like Sunday, we can have a different conversation.

I think Dan has been really good in his role. The most important jobs a GM has are keeping the salary cap in order, and evaluating draft talent. I don't think he's done anything even remotely bad on either of those fronts. In fact I'd say those are his two biggest strengths. We love to fire people around here....

The fumbles are horrendous. I'll give any Bryce hater that. But outside the fumbles, I actually think he's been very much above average. Not sure you can find 15 guys in the league better than what we've gotten from Bryce. Especially if we can find a way to mitigate those fumbles. This fan base just polarizes on quarterbacks like none other. There were fans that wanted Cam gone during the MVP season. I think we all need to challenge ourselves to be realistic and open about Bryce. I'm a Bryce defender, but I have to admit he has physical limitations, and he goes dormant sometimes. I just think he's so much better than QB roulette. When he's not fumbling, we've played some good football.

It's a terrible situation. Not sure why Canales agreed to it. Unpopular take here, but not sure what Evero is supposed to do with XFL guys on that side of the ball. Jaycee and DB are two of the best players in football. Mike Jack has been really good at the other corner spot. The rest are some JAG's and guys that wouldn't be on other rosters. We have to have the worst ILB pairing in the league. Not sure Buddy Ryan would have success with these guys on the field.

If were going to restart....again.... I really hope Tepper hires some sort of a chief of football operations that he trusts. Somebody that is almost unfireable in their role. Some kind of owner liaison. Tepper has proven a complete inability to handle football ops. He has learned and gotten better, but it's still not working. The immediate name that comes to mind for me is Ron Rivera. He's in a similar role as GM at Cal right now. He knows this city, and he knows football and the pro game. I'm confident that Tepper has someone in Pittsburgh he would trust for this. I'm not sure our issues can be traced to any one thing or any one person (That doesn't own the team). Culturally, things aren't working. In my experience, it's hard to alter that unless you tear down the entire operation, root and stem. You can make an extremely valid excuse for nearly every single human that is deserving of accountability in our organization except the owner at this point. And that is a massive problem. You are what your record says you are, and under David Tepper, we've been the 2nd worst franchise in the NFL only to the New York Jets. That said, the more times we restart, the harder it is to get back to relevancy.

The only place to hurt him is his wallet, but unfortunately, with this being such a transplant city, I'm not sure we are capable of doing that. I think we are stuck with him. Tickets will always sell, and the NFL operates on a shared revenue model anyway. So even boycotting merch is not going to impact him at all. People would have to stop going to concerts and soccer for it to matter at all. And the soccer team is actually good. All that said, his net worth is so high, there is literally nothing we could do that would impact him financially. It would have to be ego/reputation based. Like wearing bags on our heads. Not sure he would even care about that though. If we could get enough panther fans in the stadium and get organized in embarrassing the guy, that would be the most impactful, but I just don't see that happening when the visiting team gets at least 40% of our tickets on any given sunday. And the owner has far more money than the 80K people in the stadium, even if you include the players. He is one of the wealthiest people on earth. were not hurting him really. We are basically stuck hoping that he becomes self aware. Someone above estimated that his net worth was 25% Panthers. I'm not sure that's close. I think the Panthers are something around 10% of his net worth. Edit: I don't mean to turn this conversation into something it's not, but the chances that he sells the team are so low, I actually think it would take some sort of political overthrow, or change in the structure of our entire economy and government for him to get rid of this thing willingly. And I'm not sure I'd call that willingly. Only way forward is to try to change the guy, either by showing how much the org means to people in this region, or by shame.

A lot of assumptions being thrown around in here. He hasn't played well. Impossible to say otherwise. But 15 targets in two games means he's shown something in practice. Trade value is at an all time low. Time to hold, and hope he can work it out. It's best for all of us if it does. Calling out the character and work ethic of a guy from behind a keyboard it is not really conducive to anything, especially when we truly don't have any facts here outside of his performance on the field.

We don't typically have a raucous crowd by any stretch of the imagination, but it was pretty solid on Sunday. I do think the next step for the franchise would be to prioritize selling out, winning, and having a raucous crowd once the product on the field improves. You look at places like Denver with a waiting list, and the ability to remove the license of fans that constantly sell their tickets on the aftermarket. That's how you create a culture. I don't think Tepper is concerned with selling out, winning or having a raucous crowd. I think he's concerned with dolla bills y'all.

Not sure evaluating per play averages after a very strange three game sample size is a great idea. It's like evaluate offensive baseballs stats after 28-29 games. Too early. Keeping in mind that we trailed for the entire cardinals game, and that falcons game, while I loved it, was never really contentious either, we have a very strange three game sample size for an NFL team.

Not to double post, but also if you thought Bryce wasn’t good today you need to stop evaluating football.

I don’t know how anybody looks at today and is not happy with Bryce. I think he had one, maybe two poor throws today.

How about cade mays? I thought he was better than corbett had been. how about the growth of Zavala? really good stuff from this group. They all do much better when we are running the football.

I mean, that’s one way to evaluate today. I think we’ve outscored opponents 50-7 over the last 6 quarters. We had some shockingly unfortunate bounces against the cards in the first half. Didn’t love everything I saw today but it’s hard to argue with the production we’re seeing in that small sample size. Jacksonville also looks pretty darn good through 3 games. Canales may not be it, bryce may not be it, but for the first time since David tepper came to town I think the trajectory is pointed up. Jaycee, DB and Tetaroia are legit stars. The last time we had a Legit star he wore 22. embrace progress. Enjoy the win. Touch some grass.

I do feel the need to say, he’s got 15 targets through two weeks. He’s surely showing something in practice to command volume like that. im not optimistic, but here’s hoping he gets it figured out.