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Current Draft Position & Potential Prospects
ImfromClayton replied to Bear Hands's topic in Carolina Panthers
I really am not as concerned about position as I am concerned that we get a really good pro bowl caliber player. It is critical that we hit with this pick. The good news is, the positions that this draft seems to have an abundance of talent appear to be our deficiencies. I think travis hunter will be gone, but I'd love a good CB, DT, or Edge. I could see the top player at any of those positions reaching us except travis hunter. T-Mac is the type of talent that I would be thrilled if we drafted. While I'm not sure WR is where I want to spend this draft capital, he looks like a guy that's going to play for a long time and break some records. Reminds me a lot of Mike Evans. -
I don't know how anybody watches this team this season and has this take. We are miles better than we were week 1. If we were slightly better he would be in serious contention for coach of the year, and he should be. My only concern right now is that we win too much and lose draft position to get even better.
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I am all about this. Weak DE/Edge draft. Pair Mason Graham with Derrick Brown. Need a CB2, and we are cooking with peanut oil. Some of the young edge pieces we have are playing well since getting healthy. I wouldn't hate a WR, but I think the next step for this team is improving on Defense.
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Not going to sugar coat it, that was unbelievably bad from Eddy. That said, the specialist on both teams were very poor tonight. Punters and Kickers. The fact that we saw so many bad punts and kicks invites me to give him a pass, and I will for now. I'm not sure what it could have been though. It was very windy at kick, and the temp dropped quickly, but that was just a bizarre game on special teams. And Sam Franklin, you are a captain, please stop committing stupid penalties in one score games on special teams.
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OFFICIAL Panthers vs Buccaneers Gameday thread
ImfromClayton replied to TheSpecialJuan's topic in Carolina Panthers
Absolutely best case scenario. We aren’t winning the Super Bowl, we just absolutely kicked their ass, and we maintain draft position. there’s a lot of people in New Orleans, Atlanta, Tampa, and Chicago hitting the “oh poo” button.- 2,033 replies
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A Quarterback in this mold is and was always going to take a long time to develop. I think he still has quite a bit to go. We didn't draft him for his foot speed or arm talent. We drafted him to be the leader and commander of the offensive unit. and he is growing in that capacity on a weekly basis. Being smart and being able to make the correct adjustment and get your team into the right play and being able to get the ball to the right spot is the most important thing an NFL quarterback can do. You can scheme around it, you can simplify, you can try everything, but those skills make a dominant NFL quarterback more than anything else. More than anything else, that's what the Montana's, Brady's, and Manning's do. And those are the ones you want. What we are seeing with Mahomes is a guy that has the brains, unique arm talent, and above average foot speed. He may go down as the greatest. I don't see that in Bryce's future. He's got a long way to go, but he's showing he's capable of being that game managing, offense controlling guy. While that type of quarterback is the most dominant, it also takes the longest to get them game ready, and if they don't ever get to a dominant level, they often don't pan out. So it is a risk.
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Adding Derrick Brown back into this unit is going to be massive. I love T-Mac from Arizona, but if we added a Mason Graham type DT as well, I think we have the makings of a really stout unit on that side of the ball.
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I personally would really appreciate a candid message from Tepper to PSL holders. Despite all evidence to the contrary, I do think he is miserable every Sunday right now. I do think he wants to win, and be a good owner. I do think he knows that he screwed up what was a very solid NFL franchise. Just a message of "hey, I get it. This hasn't bee fun. I've asked for more of your money. Please stick with us. It's going to get better." Tepp has a long way to go for me to ever truly like him. That said, if he ever does get it on the right track, I hope he takes similar measures to what some other franchises have done, and punish season ticket holders that sell constantly. He can't do that right now, as panther tickets have no value, but when they do, that would immediately let me know that he cares.
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RZ stats would look a lot better with less drops. Pre snap penalties killed us in the RZ today. Ick gotta figure it out. Can't be drafted that high and make those mistakes. He's been really good after the ball is snapped.
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Canales deserves a lot of credit. I'm very pleased. He's definitely making strides with Bryce. I also think some of his lack of commitment to Bryce as the starter is to motivate Bryce. I think he liked what he saw when Bryce was benched. Even the Defense looks tremendously better with just a couple more pieces getting healthy. Wonnum has made our pass rush viable again. I would love to see this team with one more good player across the defensive front, DT or an edge rusher.
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First: The fans that were there supporting the panthers were very loud. I was shocked with the amount of noise they produced, because it was at least 90% KC fans in that stadium. Second: I can't blame a single fan for selling tickets. Tepper has driven a proud franchise into the toilet. As much as I wish the stadium was full of black and blue, I can't blame people for making money on a product they've paid thousands for, they've been charged more for, and has gotten worse over time. Third: I think this team is turning a corner. With a healthy 95 next year, and some investment on the defensive side of the ball in the draft and free agency, we have a chance to be good. So I hope y'all will come back.
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He's definitely getting better. It's fun to watch. I've been getting killed for this take, but with the current state of college football, it just takes more time to develop a quarterback. I don't think it's a plug and play position anymore. I'm really not sure if it ever was. NFL offenses have always been substantially more complex than the college game, and the college game has simplified even more in recent years. Many college teams do not have a physical playbook anymore. That's just not the national football league. Are there freaks who have success from day 1? Yes, without question. But so many of those guys are runners, and so many of those guys tail off. Is Bryce ever going to be Josh Allen? Probably not. What I am seeing is a guy with complete command of the offense. He's checking into things at the line, making adjustments, and making timely throws. He goes to David Moore a ton, because Moore is a consistent route runner. Bryce knows where he is and when he should be open. I think the guy with the "super processor" needs to be comfortable in the offense in order to do the "super processing." He doesn't have elite arm talent, and he is small of stature, but if he makes the smart play consistently, and he's willing to throw the ball downfield and not make mistakes, like he's starting to show, he's going to be a starter for a long time in this league, and it's not a position I'd spend draft capital right now.
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I am very pleasantly surprised. I said this in another thread, but the bottom of the league is absolutely terrible this year. I'm not sure how much I value some of these wins, but, at least they aren't losses. Our organization has been so nonfunctional, I'm not sure you can really evaluate either of these two. Dan Morgan has done some things I love. Canales has done some things I love. We are nowhere near league average though. So tough to say. I don't find either to be fireable right now. The measuring stick is the w/l record, and that appears to be improving from last year, for whatever that's worth. Going into this season I thought we were a bottom three team in the league, and then Derrick Brown got hurt, making us even worse. I think we have overshot my very low expectations. But we are not even playing the same sport as the best teams in the NFL right now.
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We are not good, but I don't know if I've ever seen the bottom of the league this bad. There's about 22 actual NFL teams this year, and the bottom 10 are absolutely awful. The well run organizations are eating the poorly run organizations alive right now. That's always been the case, but I don't know if I've ever seen it this pronounced. The only saving grace for the 10 awful teams is that we all seem to play each other this year, which is making it look a lot better than it is. We are actually trending up a little bit (not much, don't blow this out of proportion), but like every one of those bottom teams is absolutely miserable to watch. They are completely incapable on at least one side of the ball.
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I think you are at a major advantage if you have the ability to run the football as a quarterback. It can mask a lot of issues. Much like RG3, or Anthony Richardson, immediate impact is a lot easier with a running QB. Anthony Richardson already appears to be a bust, despite him turning some heads early last year. Vince Young was a ROY. I do think Jayden is a lot better than a lot of those guys, but I think he's got a fair amount of development to do as well. Stroud looks a lot better than Bryce, I won't dispute that, but he's taken a very big step back this year off of last year. Houston has a myriad of issues on the offensive side of the ball. This is just a trend we seem to be seeing everywhere. Very few QB's are pro ready anymore, and just when we are ready to give up on a guy, he does the thing where he becomes competent, (not necessarily good). Sam Bradford, Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, Geno Smith, Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota, and so on and so forth. The list of evidence is enormous. But to your point, the highest miss rate of any position in football is quarterback. The vast majority of them do not pan out. More than likely, that is the case here.
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I think we should temper the expectations a bit. A few weeks ago everyone was ready to move on from and/or trade Bryce. He's CLEARLY developing. I just think it takes a lot longer to develop a quarterback in this era of football. He clearly has a better grasp and understanding of his role and responsibilities within this offense. College football is in terrible shape right now with NIL, transfer portal, covid, and all the like. All those offenses have to keep it as simple as possible, so that they can insert a QB they found into the scheme, and have as much success as possible in that year, because he may go somewhere else next year. It is really crushing professional quarterback development. Nobody in college really runs a very pro style offense anymore, because it takes so much more time and effort to do that right. Few run a college offense in the NFL, because with the extreme athleticism and high football acumen, it just wouldn't work as well. I don't think it's any coincidence that Bryce looks so much better after watching and learning from a guy who did it at a very high level for a long time. I particularly like seeing Bryce making more adjustments at the line of scrimmage. I think Bryce is on the right track and I'm very pleased. I also think Dave Canales has done a very good job with his development. I know that's what we hired him to do, but it seems to be the popular thing to poo poo Canales for some reason. Next step for Bryce is to do this against a team that is not terrible.
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BREAKING:Panthers re-sign Chuba Hubbard
ImfromClayton replied to TheSpecialJuan's topic in Carolina Panthers
Did you feel good about Chuba coming into this season? Because I didn't. Major JAG vibes. -
BREAKING:Panthers re-sign Chuba Hubbard
ImfromClayton replied to TheSpecialJuan's topic in Carolina Panthers
He's definitely earned it. I don't love giving money to a RB on second contract, but I'll take it here. -
Can We Not Over React to This One Game??
ImfromClayton replied to Hoenheim's topic in Carolina Panthers
Man I feel like objectively Bryce is developing. QB's typically do not develop overnight. The ones that do are freaks. I think it's also fair to say that Bryce's ceiling is a lot lower than we thought it was. Yesterday was one of his better games. His two best throws were not completed, but some of his poor throws got good results too. The saints not even considering throwing it to Jaycee's side of the field was freaking awesome. Not sure even Josh Norman ever got that treatment. Coker and XL will be part of the long term solution here. We have some solid young pieces. Must get a pass rush somehow. That is a dire circumstance at the moment.