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Just look at how well Goff progressed from 2021 to 2022 with Johnson as his coordinator. I’d risk taking a QB high in the draft if an offensive mastermind was tutoring the guy. We’ve never really had that in Carolina because of our insistence on hiring defensive coaches. If we drafted a QB in round one (or later) I’d feel comfortable. I don’t think Johnson would draft a guy that he didn’t think would be a competent In his system. I also believe he’s the type of guy who could get the most out of Sam Darnold “if” we resigned him to hold things down until our new guy was ready. Or, he could be a guy that could develop Matt Corrall into a legitimate starter. I think most of us would be on board with this scenario, but it would suck for Detroit. A small part of me would like to see the product that He and Dan Campbell would put on the field if they had another couple of years together.

The Eagles won a Super Bowl without Carson Wentz while using a backup. He’s fallen off the radar these days, but Nick Foles had a nice run down the stretch to lead them over Brady and Belichek. Pederson’s scheme and that team in general was tailor made for Foles, who always played well in Philly for some reason but not nearly as good elsewhere.

It depends on the mindset of the individuals. It’s not always about the money for some people. 1) He may genuinely love the college life and wants go for another shot at a national title. 2) He may feel that there are things about his game that need improvement or he believes he could benefit from reps he’d get over the course of another season 3) He could have a desire to be one of the all time greats and doesn’t want to start his career already behind the eight ball. The past/current history of the Texans isn’t that impressive, especially in terms of how things ended for their 1st round QBs (David Carr and Deshaun Watson). And, the roster leaves a lot to be desired. Can anyone on this board name 4 players on either side of the ball. I know I can’t. I see your point. But if I were in his shoes I’d strongly consider staying for another year if I knew the Texans (or a woeful franchise in general) were determined to get pick me in the top 3-5 picks and it was within my power to keep that from happening. What good is all the money in the world if you hate going to work everyday because your team sucks or you wake up everyday in constant pain because of the beating you take week in and week out (ex: David Carr and Andrew Luck)?

In theory, I agree with both of you. If a good prospect is on the board when we pick, or if we can made a reasonable deal to move up and take one I’d be all in. My original post said we shouldn’t reach on a questionable player. If the top 5 rated QBs in this draft were Jamarcus Russell, Josh Rosen, Ryan Leaf, David Klinger, and Andre Ware I’d be a little weary of selecting one of them in the top 10. Yet, there are guys on this board who would jump out of a window if we didn’t select one of them screaming “You only find franchise QBs in the top 10 in the draft! We need to tank next year to make sure we get one!” If a team 1) lacks depth and solid players on both sides or the ball, 2) has mediocre/bad coaching or a Stone Age mentality in terms of their offensive scheme, and 3) an incompetent front office it doesn’t matter who is behind center. You won’t win consistently. All of the teams that compete for the playoffs on a consistent basis tend to have all of the above (or at least 2 of the 3) in place. A later round choice who puts in the work, who is coachable, and has above average if not elite talent, can thrive in the above environment. Unfortunately we’ve never had all 3 in place. We’ve never had an offensive minded head coach. The passing game tends to take a backseat to the rushing attack because of the mindset of out defensive oriented head coaches. Our front office as a whole tends to do well in the top of the draft, but for most or existence we had Hurney running too many of our drafts and he was terrible after the blue chip prospects were off the board. All of the above results in never having back to back winning seasons in 28 NFL seasons.

Due to his injury Lance is not currently starting so I left him off the list. Lance is on the roster, but let’s be honest. Over the last two years his presence/play has not significantly affected the 49ers regular season and playoff status. If they hadn’t drafted him they would still have two playoff draft appearances, all of those Draft choices they gave up to acquire him, and still be poised to move forward for the next several seasons with a young QB on a rookie deal.

That sir is an interesting piece of information. Any chance you could list those guys for an enquiring mind?

Which means he more than likely would avoid going to a terrible team like the Houston Texans. It doesn’t really matter where a QB get drafted in the first round compared to the other guys in his class. What matters is where you go. You think Lamar Jackson is upset that Mayfield, Darnold, and Josh Rosen was taken before him in 2018? He went to a better organization despite being drafted later and has been far more successful than the above 3 players.

True, but several of these guys were drafted outside the top 5. Their teams didn't "tank" to get them. Mahomes (#10) and Allen (#7) went to teams that made the playoffs the year before they got there. The Ravens were 9-7 the year before Lamar Jackson got there. Jackson was the 5th QB chosen in his draft class. Mahomes sat behind Alex Smith his first year. Lamar sat for half of his 1st year backing up Joe Flacco. The above 3 weren't drafted by scrubb teams and the FO didn't mortage their future away and weaken the long term plans to get them. Herbert is a stud, but he still hasn't won a playoff game. I don't see how they lost that game to JAX tonight. Tua is proving to be injury prone as expected. He has had his moments, but all of us realize that he may not be long for the NFL with his all of his injuries and concussions. Burrow is the real deal. Nuff said. Trevor is shaking off the stench of Urban Meyer and seems poised to take off, especally after tonight's improbable win. Still, he looked pretty pedestrian until Doug Pederson was hired to coach him. - In terms of potential they are more talented than the top 7 in the NFC, but potential means nothing in the grand scheme of things. This group needs to win several SB's over the next several years to live up to expectations. So far they are a combined 1-2 in the Super Bowl.

This isn't football related, but your post made me think of the LA Lakers. This team hardly ever wins championships with the centers they draft. Since the 1960's I think they've only drafted one Center who who a focal point on their championship team. The team acquired Wilt Chamberlain in the late 60's and won a title in 1972. They got Kareem from Milwaukee in the 1970s and went on to win 5 titles in the 80's. The traded for Shaq and he teamed with Kobe to win 3 titles. They drafted Andrew Bynum who was pivotal in helping Kobe win his last two titles with the Lakers. The team won their last title in 2020 when they traded for Anthony Davis to help Lebron win his 4th title. I wish it were that easy to acquire championship caliber QB's thru trades in the NFL.

But...but... according to Killer Kat Stafford doesnt' count because he didn't win it with his orignal team On a serious note, Stafford actually proves that a 1st round pick needs to be in the right situation to thrive. Before the trade to LA he couldn't even win a playoff game in Detroit. As soon as he got to a good team in LA (Good coach, Good o-line, skill players, and solid defense) he wins 3 playoff games in a row and a SB ring.

No, it isn't a dumb thread. The post simply shows that in the NFC, our conference, only one of the starting QB's in the playoffs was drafted in the first round. Why does it matter of they're on their original team? Some people act like if we don't trade up to get Stroud (who may not even come out this year) or Bryce Young then we are destined to spend the rest of the decade in QB purgatory. That isn't necessarily the case. The 49ers gave away a slew of picks to draft guy who has contributed nothing to their playoff runs the last two years. If their 6th round pick keep playing like this Lance may not even get his starting job back next year. Most of us want an offensive minded coach in 2023. We have enough talent on this team that some pundits feel we may be the most desirable landing spots for a coach this season. I think the right coach could find a player after the 1st round who fits his scheme and develop him into a solid player. If an offensive minded coach drafts the wrong player we'll still be in QB purgatory. I don't ,nor do most of us cautious Huddlers, have a problem picking a QB in the 1st round. My post said we shouldn't reach for a questionable player just to address the position.

Only two QB's on that list have played in a Super Bowl so far. They have a combined total of one SB win and 1-2 overall record in the big game. Now, I expect that to change in the future, but it may not change this season. When they're playing their A-game, the Eagles, 49ers, and Vikings can beat any of those teams on a neutral field. Heck, if Brady somehow lucked his way to another SB with that medicore Tampa team, he could still light any of those teams up. Tampa just destroyed KC in the SB two years ago.

Thanks for pointing that out. May bad.

Nope. But, he is just as likely to win a SB as Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Baker Mayfield, Daniel Jones, Sam Darnold, CJ Stroud, Bryce Young, and Justin Fields.

Take a look at this: 1) Eagles (Jalen Hurts, 2nd round) 2) 49ers (Jimmy G (3rd), Brock Purdy, (6th round and Mr. Irrelevan) combined to win 10 games in a row, and todays' playoff win) 3) Vikings (Kurt Cousins, 4th round) 4) Bucs (Tom Brady, 6th round) 5) Cowboys (Dak Prescott ,4th round) 6) Giants (Daniel Jones, 1st round) 7) Seahawks (Gino Smith, 2nd round) If you could pick any of those guys based on their 2022 season, who would be the last QB on your list most wanted list? More than likely Daniel Jones, the only QB taken in the 1st round. I don't say that to disrespect Jones. Under Daboll he's actually showing signs of becoming a solid starter in the NFL. What this does show is that a QB taken in the 1st round isn't guaranteed to outperform a QB taken later in the draft. You don't have to reach for a questionable QB in the top 5/top 10. Players taken later in the draft can provide competent QB play if the team is well constructed and well coached. We had two QB's on our roster that were drafted in the top 5 of the 2018 draft to begin the 2022 season and we see how that turned out.

The 49ers are arguably the hottest team in the NFC (if not the entire NFL). After today’s playoff game they have won 11 in a row. The QBs who have guided the ship during that win streak are Jimmy G (3rd round pick) and Brock Purdy (the last player taken in the 2022 draft). The 1st rounder for whom they gave away several high draft choices to obtain has contributed nothing of significance to their success the past two years. The 49ers have good coaching, a deep roster, and a fairly shrewd GM. I don’t care how talented a QB is, he’s not going to consistently thrive in the league and compete for championships unless all the above are in place. Jimmy G and Purdy would probably suck in Carolina if they were playing under Matt Rhule. But, in the right system they can lead a solid team to the playoffs. We almost won our division with possibly the worst QB room in the NFL, and probably would have if not for DJ’s penalty in the Falcon game and Horn’s injury that resulted in Mike Evans destroying us at Tampa. So yes, there is more to a team than a passer (although all of us know you absolutely cannot win consistently in this league w/out GOOD quarterback play)

Gotta pass on this one unless it’s a 4th round pick or less. He hasn’t shown anything to merit giving away a high draft choice…or multiple high draft choices…for him. Interesting scenario playing out in SF. We’re seeing that NFL teams can find quality players (including QBs) later in the draft. Of course a late round choice needs to be in the right environment to flourish (strong supporting cast, good coaching, and the player of course has to have a strong work ethic). In a bad environment any QB will likely fail no matter how high he was chosen in the draft. Purdy and Jalen Hurts are proving that the top 10 (or top 5 for some tanking pundits) isn’t the only place to find a good QBs.

Good point

In Wilks defense, look at the QBs he’s been saddled with: Josh Rosen, Baker Mayfield, PJ Walker, and Sam Darnold…not exactly a dream list to work with.

I wouldn’t be crushed if he was fired or rehired. I will say that “if” he does stay on for 2023 he’s going to have to go all in on upgrading the offense in the off-season. 1) We need a new and creative OC. I know our receiving core isn’t stellar, but at times McAdoo just seems to lack the ability to scheme guys open. Sam could complete 5 passes today…and it really wasn’t his fault. Most of the guys were blanketed all day 2) QB play has go to improve which means we have to get another one or Wilks has to order a guy who can work a miracle with Darnold or Corrall while we develop whoever we draft this season. 3) We need a reliable receiver, possibly even a #1, to play opposite DJ. I don’t care if he comes via the draft , trade, or FA…just get one. 4) A pass catching threat at TE. If we had a guy who could catch 48-60 receptions per season it would do wonders forour offense. 5) As some of you pointed out he can no longer be Ron Rivera 2.0. He needs to play to win on offense, not play to lose. “IF” all the above occurred this off season I’d be all in on bringing Wilks back because we would actually have a chance to win the NFC South. PS..think about this, If we had Andy Dalton as our starter once Steve took over I think we would have made the playoffs.

They didn't show a replay, but I thought the 3rd pass got tipped.

Evans is the only threat on the field today. You need to roll the coverage toward his side or double team him.

That almost looked like CJ wanted Evans to catch that pass.

Mad props to Sam and the O-line on the play. He had time to make the proper read and threw a great pass. That's the type of mentality He needs to show as QB. Make a mistake, shake it off and keep going. Last season I think he would have wilted after that play.

Sam's last pick is why we need to try and find a QB in this draft. I wouldn't be concerned if he was the type of QB who plays well from behind. He doesn't. Darnold is definitely a front runner. At this point in his career Darnold needs everything to go right to play his best. We need a DAWG who can put the team on his back and carry us when the chips are down. So far Sam hasn't proved that he can do that. I hope he proves me wrong... TODAY.