BrianS

Whoa, whoa, whoa! I'm not a big Lance fan, but come on. Trey Lance is a much better athlete than Sam Darnold. You can argue a lot of things in Darnold's favor . . . NFL experience, age . . . huh. That's not really a lot of things. Honestly, let's say Lance is there at eight. You've already got Darnold for a second and some change. Assuming your staff believe in him, you draft Lance. Your overall investment at QB is a first and a second. If you get a franchise guy out of that investment, you're STILL ahead of the curve statistically.

While I do agree with the analysis of Cam, I also think that it's important that Ron take some heat for that. If we had brought in an actual QB coach & OC, perhaps someone would have taught Cam how to play a different way. Honestly, I believe he was capable. 2018 was already too late physically, but he appeared to really turn a corner that season mentally. Perhaps if he had turned that corner in 2014 instead we might be talking about a completely different narrative. It's water under the bridge, but I believe Rivera deserves a fair helping of responsibility for that.

You can win a SB without Julio Jones. It's pretty hard to win one without a high quality OT. See Mahomes, Patrick. Newton, Cameron.

We already have plenty of money set aside for Moton since we tagged him. Doing a long term deal will likely yield cap relief this season.

I think that's what they want to do. Move some money forward into this year if they can get Teddy off the books.

EXACTLY!

For $60 million, I'll be more than happy to teach anyone anything about my job and let them take over ASAP so I can (*&$ing retire.

You choose whichever of Lance / Fields your coaches and scouts feel best about. It really isn't hard.

In the red zone I'd rather have an OLine that can actually push a defense back. It feels like it's been forever since we could take a first and goal and just run it in.

If you're using running ability to separate QB's you're doing it wrong. There are five other guys on offense who should be running with the ball before you get to a QB. Yes, a QB who can break contain is nice, but I'd rather have a guy who makes the right read and puts the ball in the hands of a DJ Moore / Robby Anderson / CMC. In the case of Lance vs Fields, if we're really down to a slight difference in running ability, give me the guy who did against better competition.

While I agree that wins are the stat that matters, some general tendencies of top tier QB's are: 65% completion rate 2:1 TD to INT 2 TD / game 8+ IAY/PA None of those stats are definitive, but they can be indicative.

Did he seriously accuse us of having an offensive line? I mean . . . I guess if you exclude LT from your offensive line we might have made it up to "average" last year. Who needs a LT anyway.

Oh, like this guy? (I couldn't help myself)

There's a deep, secret part of me that hopes this is exactly what happens so that we can try to draft a QB next year. I'm not proud of it.

You can't pay two franchise tackles, it just doesn't work that way. If, as it seems, our intent is to pay Moton then we can't bring in a veteran franchise level bookend. We need to find that guy in the draft. Preferably in the first round, so you get five years to wind down Moton's contract before you pay new guy.

If something strange happens in the draft and one of the top four is still available, you take the QB. If the draft falls as most expect it to, then you BPA. We have so many needs that no matter who he is, the BPA will help us get better.

To be fair, you need to separate Rhule as a front office influencer / participant and Rhule as a coach. As a coach, I doubt ANYONE could have predicted the level of competence and fight our team showed last year. We were not an embarrassment. We were not an easy out (for the majority of games). As a coach, for a first year in the NFL, with an unproven staff and NO offseason, Rhule showed a lot of promise. Now, as a front office participant, I do agree. We've been very hit and miss during the Rhule era. Robby was great. Teddy, not so much. Rasul Douglas, pretty good. Tahir Whitehead, ugh. Etc. The problem is that QB is the most important position on the field. If you get it wrong, you screw your entire franchise. When you get it GROSSLY wrong, you can fix it with a high draft pick. When you get it MOSTLY wrong, ore PARTLY wrong, it's even worse because you don't have a pick high enough to fix it with.

That's nowhere near what it would cost to move to 5. Just to get close to moving with Cincy, we'd need to offer our 1st and 2nd this year. Going off strict value we might get a 3rd or 4th back from Cincy, but because other teams will be calling Cincy and because the pick is a QB, in your scenario we'll probably have to offer 1 & 2 and get nothing else or perhaps offer future considerations. I am not advocating for this scenario. Just saying that in presenting scenarios we need to be realistic.

No. Nothing like that. Brees was considered a good QB in San Diego. He took an injury to his throwing shoulder and was given VERY low chances of ever coming back. San Diego *also* had a known, valuable commodity in Phillip Rivers sitting on their bench. This situation is nothing like.

And yet we are here evaluating Teddy on those qualities every day. Someone please tell me what traits Jones has that Teddy does not. Arm talent is a relative wash. I might give Mac the nod in arm strength, but it ain't by much. So, once you set aside arm talent, what can Mac Jones do that Teddy cannot physically? Yea, exactly. Above the shoulders . . . Teddy is smart. Processes quickly. And checks it down. Mac might try to push downfield, but with his arm talent NFL defenses will be all over him. I just don't see enough difference between Mac Jones and TB5 to warrant a draft pick. I want someone to come and and do the things that Teddy can't do.

When healthy, the dude is a high end starter. Not elite, but high end. That's worth something. However, every other team can read the writing. JimmyG only has 2.8 million in dead cap, but 24 million in salary. The construction of that contract was genius. They own him for the next two years . . . if they want him. If not, he can be cut with basically zero consequences. Unfortunately, for us to trade for him, Teddy has to be part of the deal. Thus, Teddy + a first for JimmyG is probably about right. No, JimmyG alone isn't worth it, but to the Panthers, that's not the deal. If we were a team with cap space, maybe a third would do it. We're not that team.

Part of his lack of sacks could be that he doesn't have a Mike Rucker / Charles Johnson on the other side putting in strong reps. You can't give a QB any "out", because if there is one, good QB's will find it and elude the sack even though you managed pressure. That said, if Burns actually wants to get paid, he does in fact need the numbers. For all that I think he's excellent, the league pays for stats.

Not sure I agree with that. The Aggies averaged almost 33 points per game . . . ball control sort of implies a grind it out, 23 - 21 game. Maybe I'm still traumatized from the previous Panthers regime. I do agree, the Aggies did very well keeping the clock in their favor. But the offense was pretty balanced, more passes than runs overall. Very similar to Florida's offense for that matter.

Is there really serious thought that Fields or Lance can actually fall that far? I mean, I'm on board, I am just struggling to see how they fall to us.

Miami made the mistake of convincing themselves Tannehill was "middle of the road". I don't think he'll ever be elite, but he is a QB you can win with. He's a good QB. Joining the Titans just made it obvious. Darnold will never be that. He doesn't have RT's arm or decision making.