BrianS

I dunno man. I don't know if it's a question of his WR talent or what, but his air yards have been dropping like a rock the last three years. Scares me a lot. I don't think I can take another Teddy.

Six QB's. Round one. Change my mind.

If I had a dime for everyone time someone reversed those letters Tepper wouldn't be the owner . . .

I suspect the actual story with Bieniemy is . . . what has he actually done? He was an OC in college for two years. He's never called plays at an NFL level. He's been the CLEAR beneficiary of Andy Reid's system. Look at Nagy. OC in KC under Reid, head coach of the Bears. STRUGGLING head coach of the Bears. His QB is getting mixed reviews. His offense since 2018 has done nothing but struggle. The entire Andy Reid coaching tree on the offensive side has been . . . bad. Real bad. Maybe people have finally caught on. The magic is Andy Reid, and so far he hasn't been able to instill that in his disciples.

It's exactly this sort of thinking that led this franchise down the road we're currently on. Stop it. I've had enough. There is no "fast" way to build a championship organization. Instead, we should be discussing the RIGHT way to get back to 2015 levels. That way is actually quite simple. Draft well. Develop your players. Sign / Re-sign players only when it makes sense and only with responsible contracts. No organization worth it's salt will ever believe "We're one player away!". It's just not true. "BUT TAMPA!!?!" I hear you say. Not even close. Yes, they added Tom Brady, the GOAT at the most important position on the field. Oh, and a veteran clutch TE in Gronkowski. Oh, and a legit WEAPON in Antonio Brown. Oh, and a very much not washed up Leonard Fournette. We as a fan base have to learn how to support our team as they build, and not just when they are 2015 good.

The one good thing I can say about Watson's contract is that it actually gets better toward the end instead of worse. 2022 and 2023 are rough. After 2023 however, it becomes a manageable number, and very easy to simply cut if needed.

I don't think it's fair to say a portion of the fan base was upset. I think it's fair to say a portion of the fan base was dubious. And that's probably a valid sentiment given his experience at the time, and the staff he put together. In hindsight, I think it worked out well. There were some bumps in the road and lessons learned, but you can't avoid those. That's how you become experienced, working through those things. Matt Rhule has a chance to be a great coach. That much he has demonstrated. We won't know for a few years yet whether he reaches that potential.

No. Too many picks surrendered. That much draft capital would almost get us up to #1 this year. Teddy and Deshaun swapping places is a given, as the caps won't work for either team without that. #8 overall this year, ok. It's a given. I'd give up a 1st and third next year and a second the year after.

Paradis was ok last year. Not great, not terrible. His contract is on the high end of average, but that isn't his fault. Similar to the situation with Shaq. The contract is the problem, not the player. Unfortunately, for both of those players, we're stuck. Cutting Paradis won't yield enough relief to bring in an equal replacement. We'll get a lesser player. Likewise Shaq. The focus should be 2022 for us. We actually are in a REALLY good spot for 2022. Let's not screw that up by rushing some sort of "win now" team out the door in 2021. Keep building. Let's shoot for 7 - 8 wins next year, and keep putting pieces in place for 2022.

The biggest hurdle here is that Teddy has to be part of the transaction. We can't keep him and make the cap work. Texans cap is already a mess, and taking Teddy actually makes their cap situation worse if you can believe that.

We can't afford to trade CMC. His entire $21 million signing bonus would get pushed forward into our cap.

The lesson he has to learn is that willingness to move on from a player isn't the same as ability to move on from a player in the NFL. Guaranteed money in contracts can tie your hands.

Go watch some tape. I've watched him fit balls into tight windows all season. It's on tape, you just gotta watch it. Trask and Jones will be gone on day one. Denver will jump on Trask in a heartbeat, and the New England Bellichecks will grab Jones . . . unless he's already gone.

If I'm Deshaun, I would 100% ask to go to the Colts. The team was 11-5 last year, have no veteran QB's under contract and get to play the Texans twice a year. Does it get any better than that? Again, it will never happen as the Texans would never agree to him moving within the division, just saying that if I was Deshaun that would be my choice. He's not stupid. He won't go Jets. Nobody with half a brain goes there and Deshaun seems pretty smart.

To be completely fair to Cam, when we got a lead under Rivera, we had absolutely ZERO killer instinct. We just shut it down and tried to kill the clock. I don't think we can blame Cam entirely for some of that type behavior when it was fairly clear that it was cultivated by the coach.

Didn't we do this thread yesterday? Jordan Love couldn't get on the BENCH for GB this year. I can't give up a first round pick for a player that can't even get on the bench. Over an undrafted free agent? Come on man.

I'm pretty sure I don't need Voth to tell me we haven't been very good since 2015. One winning record in five years is pretty crap. I think we all grasp that.

All props to Voth for digging that up, but trailing at the half is VERY different than being within one score, with the ball, in the fourth. This year we lost 8 games by one score or less. I'm pretty sure we had the ball in the fourth with a chance in all eight. Those 35 games Voth is talking about, we have no idea how those games played out in the fourth. Ok, we were trailing at the half. Did we ever get within one score or were they blowouts? We only had three not close losses this year. Two of them were to the guys currently waiting to play in the Super Bowl . . . the second of which was tied at the half. We also had a close loss to KC this year . . . a game we were leading at half time. Not sure exactly what Voth was trying to do there. Seems a little "spin-ish" to me.

Even the #3 pick is pretty much a no-go. The value of the QB class is so high this year that even the value chart isn't as accurate as it would be in a normal year. Basically, the best we can hope for in terms of trade up would be 5 or 6 without completely gutting our draft.

St Nick disagrees. If Jones was better, Jones would have started in 2019 without having to be handed the job due to injury. Agree. If you're going to take a chance, take a chance on a guy who played in close games with lesser talent and displayed more NFL traits. Trask led the only offense this year to end the game within a touchdown of Alabama. That includes the Kellen Mond led Aggies and the Justin Fields led Buckeyes.

We have to unload Bridgewater. We can't take ANY veteran QB without divesting TB at the same time. That's the issue. We have so many topics talking about "What about this veteran QB or this other one". Yea, there is going to be a HUGE musical chairs game at QB this offseason. The problem very few people seem to have come to grips with is that TB and another vet can't live on this roster together for sheer cap reasons alone.

Oh, I don't think it's LIKELY. Just as I don't think it's LIKELY that we bring in any veteran QB. We just can't afford it with Bridgewater here. Anything we do has to be with TB5 on his way out of town as well, which makes our situation even more difficult.

Teddy's contract is a barrier to ANY veteran QB coming in. It's gotta go away. That's why I'd give a second round pick. You take Teddy, our 2nd and we get Carr and the remaining two years on his contract. Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if the Raiders just plain cut Carr. I think that's a HUGE mistake. Would you really want to cut a QB with this 2020 season?

Derek Carr. Now THERE'S a contract we could take on. Carr has done nothing but get steadily better over the course of his career while playing in one of the most disfunctional franchises of the last 40 years. There's a player in Carr. Not sure I'd give up pick 8 for him, but I'd give our second rounder for a two year tryout on a guy who looks like he has all the tools.

It's actually a REALLY smart pick. Matt Ryan will be 36 when the next season starts. The contract has an out after 2021. It doesn't get any clearer. Take a rookie, let him learn behind Ryan. If Ryan continues to play at a high level and it looks like a quick turnaround for them, they stick with him until 2023. If not, they have their heir apparent from a great QB class sitting there. Too many fans (and people in general for that matter) get confused between what they want to happen and what is actually realistic to expect. For obvious reasons, all Panthers fans would like the Falcons and Lions to hold on to their picks and choose any player who is not a QB. That's what we want. The reality of the situation is that both of those teams need to replace an aging franchise QB. The QB class this year is considered incredibly strong. These teams have very high draft picks. There will be a good prospect available. The only way either team passes is if they dig up something on the players they have available when they are on the clock. I would be VERY wary at pick eight if any of the top QB's are still on the board. It could easily mean that someone found something that spooked them.