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That article is just an article. But it insinuates the Dolphins are interested. The common sense of not being able to compete comes from multiple angles: 1. #3 in the draft so even if Texans don’t want Tua they can draft a qb. Not as easily doable with #8. 2. They have 2 firsts and 2 seconds. The draft capital that could be offered is obviously more by a large margin. Which leads me to... 3. They’re a 10-6 team and legitimately up and coming. QB is one of their few holes. It just makes sense. Even without their picks, if you plug in Watson they’d have a team that could easily rival the Bills and take the division. While I think Saleh is going to be great, that sentiment isn’t remotely true for the Jets or the Panthers. 4. Watson will actually play for a competitor AND be close to home. 5. And more of a side note - the Dolphins are known for diversity and minority hirings, clearly a plus for Watson. 6. Cap. Sure their cap spending is about on par with the Panthers. Well except their actually paying contributing players and have a whopping 500k dead money vs. the Panthers 23 million (and that is an old figure it’s much higher now). What does that mean? Probably that the Dolphins don’t really need a long term plan...they’re already almost there. Watson would get it done. On the other side - the Panthers could only offer what could and hopefully will be 2-3 years in the future because for this year and next they’re strapped. Will Watson be ok waiting? Not sure about that. 7. Oline. Sure the Dolphins ranked as one of the worst. But why? Because they heavily invested in it. High draft pick rookies. And although not a huge feat they have improved by doing so. That oline’s trajectory is going up and will bloom. Plus they actually are showing with the new regimen it’s a priority. The Panthers well...they’re struggling to sign their one good player due to cap, so they’ll tag him. They literally have no answers for all the other positions and depth. If they finally take the oline seriously they can hope to be where the Dolphins are in two years - high investment, and improvement in long term answers. So yea I’m trying to find an angle we could compete with the Dolphins. Do you have one? Clemson maybe? We have his QB coach? We have better weapons...but not the cap to resign them. That’s a short list. Ultimately the Panthers can only offer Watson a vision and Watson will have to be ok with that. The Dolphins can offer evidence their vision is coming into fruition, and QB is the primary missing peice of the puzzle. So yea. We can’t compete. We really can’t compete with the Jets either but maybe in the sense that they too will only have a vision to offer.

Panthers will never be able to compete with the Jets or Dolphins. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article249161075.html

Dumb. Business was treated like business. Least that’s what the players say when they chase the money. Panthers never sniffed another QB for years letting Cam rehab on the bench...and paid him 60 million to do it then be cut after negotiate couldn’t be had and no one wanted to trade anything for him. Not sure what what kind of creepy butthurt fanboy poo you’re thinking of. If the Panthers were smart they would’ve told Cam to suck it up, there’ll be no ‘commitment’ and sent him out as a lame duck QB and save TB money. But I’m sure creepy fanboys would’ve said that was treating him bad too. Anything other than a family friendly 4 year extension (probably worth at least 100 million) would have made fanboys mad TBH - unfortunately for Panther fans the team as a whole that would have been really fuging stupid.

Lol Let’s imagine this team for a second without their previous 3-4 first round picks and/or a top defensive player. -Brown -Burns -DJ Moore Minus a 4th first rounder: -CMC Throw in a good, young defensive player (not sure we even have 2 after the above lol) -Chinn Cam you imagine how god awful this team would be without all these players? I mean you trade all that for Watson so Samuel and Anderson can be his primary targets, Davis getting shut down in the backfield and Moton the only olineman IF he’s resigned? Then the defense...Shaq thompson....and...maybe we can get injured Short back? lol Just isn’t worth it.

Fit lookin over Hurney’s work like

Meh I don’t really care if TB is the wb next season. We already know he isn’t the future but we have to take our lumps and should take the time to find it...just as almost all other teams have had to do with a bridge QB. This team won’t be competitive until 2023 anyways and won’t get interesting really until the year after that. I know that’s a lot of patience, logic, and realistic expectations though so I can see it pissing off the huddle.

Wtf rain snow sun...baseball caps are great man I miss Reebok then the league got cheap and consumer Nike is trash I remember the first year the switched and jerseys were ripped, patches coming off, falling apart on the field during games lol gonna assume the NFL bitches them out because didn’t see the issue after that High end Nike products are great but man their mass commercial poo is utter garbage

Yea if you’re including QBs like Dalton, Gropo, Tua, Fitzpatrick, and Haskins and Brandon Allen. Maybe I should’ve said a min number of snaps and/for a ‘starting’ QB in which case he’s at the top of the list. Had those QBs played as many snaps I still feel like he’s at the top with all his check downs. Curious as to how many of those sacks came in quarters 3 and 4 because from watching the games, the Panthers 2020 oline played very well until half time when they all checked out. If we criticize TB for not closing out games the oline most certainly didn’t finish poo in 2020. Those things will skew the oline ranking which is sad seeing as they were still ranked 18. Given there were only 3-4 teams ranked that low to make the Super Bowl, or even deep playoffs in the last 20 years I’d say they are pretty dismal.

Lol wut not even close Not quite how he was but still plays at a high level... ’way more than cam’...Ben is 10x the QB cam was are you on drugs or have you just started watching NFL football and I hate Ben would never want him here

Man we are really going to be scraping the bottom of the barrel for an oline...if that’s the case who cares who the qb is? Even with one of the quickest releases in the NFL TB got hurt and his oline ranked below average. Now throw money at Samuel? And what about DJ and Anderson coming up? Plus all the money in CMC... This just sounds bad for once in the past decade the Panthers need to throw quality money at some oline talent. Notice I said quality.

What? It’s the other way around. You build a team first. That’s the modern blueprint, to get your QB on a rookie contract with a good team to compete...Bills, Chiefs, Chargers, Cardinals, San Fran soon...chiefs built their team while they had their aging ‘bridge QB’ in Smith he was not their future and they knew that, they used him the same way we should use TB, Colts used Rivers, Patriots used Cam, Dolphins used Fitz, etc. that’s the blueprint. The other way around gets you Cam and the Panthers, Watson with Texans, Luck and the Colts, Bengals and Burrow. It’s a great way to ruin a good QB and then live in cap hell after he’s paid. Unless you’re a Brees, Brady or Rodgers...it’s hard to build a winning team and pay a long term franchise QB, the Seahawks are finding that out now and is the reason for Cowboys situation. So yea the modern blueprint for success does not start with a franchise QB without a good team in place first. Successful teams outside of HOF outliers (who also have good teams) the idea is to get some success with a qb while on rookie contract.

I’m wondering this as well...

And all those teams are winning teams except the Falcons and Eagles. And yea the Falcons are fuged cap wise. But we have the most dead money. And laughing at the Falcons feels like the the whole ‘at least we aren’t the Browns or Jets’ mantra we have enjoyed so much as a shitty franchise forever. Not to mention our cap space is going to players not even on the team lol. Big difference. Lets not compare to the bottom of the barrel, our cap situation is poo for the next two years. If it weren’t we would have resigned Moton last year, but we couldn’t...

Well the Panthers once again fug themselves by ignoring oline. They have no starting LT, no LG, no RG and no RT signed lol. And an injured center with one year left...all the while with the worst cap situation in the NFL, and 5 wins. Easily the worst oline situation in the NFL. I have faith things will get better but if someone said they have faith we will be competitive with the Texans to become the new age Browns there wouldn’t be much a difference. I don’t blame Moton for cashing out the Panthers has given him all the leverage in the world and then some.

Why not just sign him long term?

Actually that’s correct going by metrics and statistics for the past 20 years.

Yea, their situations are identical.

Yep exactly. This is doing your du diligence. I love it. JR and Hurney prolly sat together writing long winded letters and snail mailing them

As well as it being an idiotic move for a team like the Panthers.

Good luck with the insurance company, you’ll need it

yea I never got into it. Drawn out medieval soap opera meh

Lol what is that like the 5th highest paid back up QB? Hurney never ceases to amaze.

I’m not going to give specific examples. I’ve worked with him and worked with others who worked with him. He himself admits to his issues though (though late). Plenty of articles on it. And it wasn’t exactly a problem that he didn’t wear on his sleeve.

He shattered someone’s face, blinded them for life and disabled them, and essentially ruined their career and life. Thats more than just punching a guy - he has serious mental issues. I know firsthand. Luckily he’s rich and settled with the guy, probably paying him half of everything he ever earned otherwise he’d would’ve went to prison. Yea he might get discounted for that one.

Can’t blame him, if he wasn’t as elusive as he is he’d probably be retired to to injuries...his olines have been comparable to the Panthers, some years even worse aka traffic cones