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You do have to hand it to Tabor though....he is clearly near the top of the ST coaching game right now. I also want to clean house but.....do you get rid of a coach that good? And the players like him? Tough. I also think Thomas Brown deserves a chance to make HIS offense and run it. Whatever garbage Reich produced isn't it. I know they worked together but you can't tell me this isn't more a Reich offense then someone who was learning under McVay. I still think he can be a good coach, I don't think the buzz was for nothing on him. I think The Carolina Panthers took a baseball bat to his knees when he walked into the Reich/Tepper train.

I hope this isn't true. We've tried the hot college coach, we've tried the re-tread. Lets try something different, an up and coming coordinator.

You sound objective.

As other have said IMO this is an Andy Reid situation all over again if it happens. His time in Pittsburgh ran out but he is still a great coach.

Didn't even read the post. It wasn't even long.....just ready to shot a post off for no reason. That rumor has been debunkee already.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/fmia/news/nfl-chiefs-patrick-mahomes-jake-browning-playoffs-fmia-week-15-peter-king Could be a great hire and help establish a culture here. A coach that brings a lot of cache, that players love. With the ability to stay steady through adveristy. Hell, he'll even "toe the line" and help you win games haha. Before anyone says it, the rumor Tepper wanted him out in Pittsburgh was proven false, I dont have time to dig it up.

I didn't want Wilks last season. I thought it would be great time to turn the page and bring some new age offensive football in. I didn't realize how much this team needed Wilks. I can't imagine he will ever be back, but if he was our next HC I wouldn't be too upset about it. I will always wonder what his plan for the 2023 Panthers was....

Cam as the guy who holds the next HC back when he get too hype on the sideline and starts to cross onto the field.

I am down with Olsen as HC, but I can't see Cam as President. Some other role where he is allowed to bring some attitude and culture to the team would be great though. Like just have him around the team year round and let his influence spread through the building. Cam put in the time and refused to lose, it wasn't in his mindset. We need that.

Too many holes. BPA and hope BPA falls on QB, O-line, D-line, WR, DB, LB, RB in that order. Have to get Luvu under contract and either get something for Burns or play him out 1 more year on the tag.

Needed to be done. GM/HC clean slate and hopefully someone who knows what they are doing between them and Tepper.

Interesting note. It will be a good time to evaluate the current scouting dept and see if it works.

Mannnnn I'm going to be in here in May, June, July and August feeling positive. We'll see after that lol, hopefully I want to watch the games through December.

Build the lines and it all falls into place. Football is still won in the trenches. We have some talent on the O line we just need a good coach to sort them out and then work on filling the gaps. D line needs players badly.

Not the biggest Tepper fan...but I think its funny he is getting heat for doing something better for the team/players. He's supposed to keep it in Wofford? For what? So Jerry Richardson's old school can get some money?

Bakhtiari and Campen are going to the Jets to be with Rodgers.

I would say the Jets are in a better spot. That D is elite and talented, not just scheme related. They have an amazing WR is Garrett, a HR hitter RB in Bryce Hall. They need less pieces then we do. If they could score like 21 points a game and sustain some drives they would have a crazy good record right now.

Caldwell was just an example. Point still stands, I don't think it necessarily screams unprofessionalism. There are plenty of reasons to go above your boss to his. Sometimes even without going to them first, but I highlighted an hypothetical in which they could have and still ended up talking to Tepper.

This won't change until the NFLPA forces the change. Owners are going to milk the stadiums for all they are worth. Capitalism. They make more money year over year via the NFL no matter how bad their team is. Everything else is just the cherry on top, because you can never be too rich.

Oh well. Probably for the better. I doubt staying in some dorm room is better for the players then being near the stadium facilities and sleeping in their own beds.

Yeah but lets say you are for example Jim Caldwell. You talk to Josh McCown about the plan with Bryce and where you think there is a glaring error ( in this case footwork or RPO in the scheme ). You go through a week or two of meetings/practice/games. Nothing changes. Okay, next stop : Frank. Same thing. Who do you go to then when you see the ship is sinking and no one you've spoken to has shown any ability to navigate this. Next step is the GM, Franks boss. Fitt takes it in, get's you to go with him to Tepper to show that here is someone on the offensive staff with some good points about what we've seen over the last 6-8 weeks. It makes sense to me. No one is helping your rookie QB get better and they get actively getting him killed out there through sheer negligence it sounds like.

DAMN that's bad. Frank too soft for HC. Reich was Nathaniel Hackett bad for us. Woof.

You can look across the league. Bad owners get good coaches, most of them then stay out of the way for the most part ( publically ). Jags, 49ers, Browns, Texans, Bengals to an extent Cowboys ( they've had good ones ). The Cowboys have a meddling owner but get good coaches and let them stay until they can't produce ( except Jimmy Johnson ) and the WFT/Commanders get them from time to time and Snyder would mess it up. So its likely going to happen. When? Who knows, hopefully soon. Even if we get a guy who can only take us so far up, that is all we need right now. Our new John Fox.

You do wonder if the bulls-t stemmed from the an environment Tepper set OR if by the time people felt like they had to talk to Tepper, Reich had proven he didn't know what the hell he was doing. Really Frank has never been shown to develop a QB and maybe they were sold that he could or at least would be able to create an ideal vision for a rookie. Sounds like Frank was in over is head from day 1. No Pederson, No Luck, No Rivers to bail him out.

I think this is true just by the fact eventually he might even get it accidentally wrong. The one thing I will say, if a HC/GM starts getting wins, I don't see Tepper's ego driving a wedge in that. He wants a winner and once he has that he will let it ride.