Panthers Rhule

Just look at Josh Allen last season. He really showed out. Is there one person who can honestly say that if the roles were reversed and that Allen had played the last 3 seasons for the Jets that he would've been in the MVP conversation? Do you think Lamar Jackson would be considered a Franchise QB playing for the Jets? It'd even be hard to say for sure that the great Mahomes would be considered great if he started game 1 with the Jets. Darnold has talent and deserves a chance playing for a good coaching staff and system before being dismissed. He's only 23. I see it as we just drafted a top the QB without spending a 1st round pick.

From the way I read it, his recommendation was character based. Great guy with a strong work ethic. Rhule is a hardworking coach who wants hard working players. Guys who give 110% can be coached and will improve and Rhule is all about that. We saw the majority of our players improve last season. The ones who didn't are gone. I saw an ex football player who now works at ESPN, I can't remember his name. He was at the Senior bowl workouts and saw Rhule coaching all week. He was all in on Darnold becoming a good QB at Carolina. I'm paraphrasing but he said something like after watching Rhule work really hard and really coaching those kids all week that he was really impressed by him and he had not doubt that Darnold would succeed under Rhule.

But isn't Slater a maybe LT and more of a definite OG? He doesn't really have the build of a true LT does he? Sewell is definitely an LT if that's what we want.

Just the 1st 4 rounds w/trades

Trey Smith isn't a good fit for us I think. He's not a mover. More of a power blocker (man) and we play zone

Lots of good players in these mocks. But I'm not sure you are considering what schemes we play. Especially with the OL. The OL in these drafts are not very mobile and therefore wouldn't be good fits for us. Our lineman need to be athletic and able to move and reach the LBs.

I just did a mock with trade downs and ups. I tried to get picks but be aggressive for specific players. I really like some player that are late first to late second round picks so the plan was to get 3 in that range and recover 2022 picks for Darnold. All players should improve with coaching, fit our scheme, and improve areas we are missing. The objective was to get as much potential quality starters in the first 4 rounds as possible by trading aggressively. The idea being that when building a roster, 3 good players is better than 1 great player. Great players are usually found in the first half of round 1, sometimes and in this draft hopefully also later but you can get many solid players and potential early starters from picks 17- 64 too. So the idea was hit hit hard in that area and finsh rounds 2 and 3 with needs that could become starters soon. Here's how it went. First I traded down to 13 with Chargers for picks 13, 47 (Wyatt Davis G), 118. Pick 13 (traded to Cleveland for picks 26 (Greg Newsome II CB), 59 (Elijah Molden CB/FS), and 2022 2nd Then traded up with Jax, offered picks 39 and 73 for 33 (Alex Leatherwood LT) and 106 (Drew Dalman C/G) Pick 113 (Bobby Brown DT). In conclusion: 26- Greg Newsome II CB - Nice-sized corner with a terrific feel for coverage. Feisty, mixes it up with receivers, and competes defending the pass. Quick flipping his hips in transition, fluid pedaling in reverse, and rarely challenged by opponents. Quick to read and diagnose, instinctive, and gets his head back around to locate the ball. Possesses a nice move to the throw and solid ball skills. Speed is a concern, though Newsome should be able to play in bump-and-run or even zone. 33- Alex Leatherwood LT - Athletic left tackle prospect with a large upside. Sets with a wide base, blocks with leverage, and stays square. Fires off the snap into blocks, keeps his head on a swivel, and displays excellent blocking vision. Explosive, quick out to the second level, and easily adjusts to hit a moving target. Displays solid footwork off the edge and terrific lateral blocking range. Gets his hands into pass rushers, riding them from their angles of attack. Agile, mobile, and keeps his feet moving. Makes excellent use of blocking angles. Quick and fluid pulling across the line of scrimmage and blocking in motion. He's a natural left tackle with the footwork and movement skills to be used in a zone-blocking system, but Leatherwood must get stronger 47- Wyatt Davis OG - Athletic guard with terrific size and upside. Sets with a wide base, bends his knees, and consistently gets leverage on opponents. Fires off the snap, fluidly gets out to the second level, and is outstanding blocking in motion. Easily slides in space displaying good lateral blocking range, stays square, and keeps his feet moving. Very effective with his hands, properly placing them into defenders and displaying strength in his game. Terrific leader on the offensive line who is intelligent and quickly picks up assignments. He's a zone-blocking lineman with outstanding size and needs only to improve his finishing strength to complete his game. 59- Elijah Molden CB/FS - Tough, instinctive safety with a terrific game. Quick reading and diagnosing the action, explosive, and plays with a degree of suddenness. Fast arriving on the scene, sells out to make plays, and effectively times his pass defenses. Takes proper angles, moves well laterally, and possesses a closing burst. Stays with coverage assignments, stays on the receiver’s hip out of breaks, and possesses terrific ball skills facing the action. Does a great job leading the defense and quarterbacking the secondary. Does not bite on crossing patterns or receivers’ moves and can burst to the ball out of his plant. Molden offers potential as a free safety or even in a zone system, and won't be a liability lined up against a slot receiver. 106- Drew Dalman C/OG - Two-year starter who lined up at both guard and center for Stanford. Explosive zone-blocking lineman with nice upside. Explosive, fires into blocks, and quickly gets out to the second level. Fluid if asked to pull across the line of scrimmage, plays with great pad level, and consistently gets leverage on opponents. Stays square, moves smoothly about the field, and easily redirects to hit a moving target. Keeps his head on a swivel and works well with linemates. Effective with the shotgun snap. Dalman was a smart, tough zone-blocking lineman who was effective at both center and guard. He lacks next-level power and needs a running start, but he would be very effective in a system that puts linemen in motion. 113- Bobby Brown DT- Explosive three-technique tackle who plays with outstanding fundamentals. Fires off the snap, plays with excellent pad level, and draws the focus of opponents. Consistently gets leverage on blockers, shows agility, and immediately alters his angle of attack and redirects to the action. Moves well laterally chasing the play down the line of scrimmage. Aggressive. Tough to move off the point. Brown possesses the size and style to line up as a three-technique tackle or one-gap defensive lineman. He possesses an upside and should only improve as he gets stronger in time. Cleveland Browns 2nd round pick in 2022 Summary: We add 3 athletic, zone blocking players at positions of need, OT, OG and OC/OG respectively. While none are the best blockers at their positions, each are well suited for our zone blocking scheme and have up side. The first 2 could start in year 1 and definitely by year 2. Even the 3rd could find early playing time and perhaps become our replacement for Paradis at Center. Their weaknesses are all the same, strength, which we all know can easily be improved. We also add 2 DBs, CB and CB/FS. Again, positions of need. Both are well suited for Zone schemes which we run and have good coverage skills and have versatility and read plays well. With an effective pass rush their weaknesses will be less and the opportunity to Ints should increase as both are capable of reading and anticipating throws. Their skill sets compliment our other DBs very well. Lat, we add a solid 3 tech into our rotation which is again a position of need with his weakness once again being strength which is easy to improve. As a bonus, we recover the most controversial pick we used to get Darnold and that's a second rounder. This only cover the first 4 rounds. We still had 4 more picks to add to depth but in all, while we didn't land the 1st or 2nd graded player at each position, we did land 3 players in the top 5 of their class and the other 2 were top 10. Leather was 6th but for our scheme he was 3rd. Molden could arguably be the 1st FS although he is listed as a CB. He could and would probably play a CB in some situations but the other top safeties are more suited for Strong, which we already have. His skill set is something that we are missing. Of all the mocks I've done I really like these 4 rounds. What do you guys think about this 4 round draft? Do you like the strategy? Do you like the players?

I think Fields will be a bust. I have said it often around here. I do not think Fields will be good in the NFL. I would rather have Lance.

If we drafted a QB at 8 now it would be the first move that I really didn't like this entire off season.

Do you think he would fit in our scheme? I thought he was more of a man blocker. I see Leatherwood as a better fit for us. If we traded down I would think we'd look at him and then maybe try to get a guard in the 2nd. Maybe Davis or the OT Radunz? and move him to guard. We covet moving OL for our ZBS, no?

Optimistic. Which is my nature but I'm more so now than usual. I really like Rhule. He seems relentless in his work. I think his staff is good too. Brady and Snow. I thought they played better last season than I expected them too. The moves this off season look smart and well thought out. I don't even hate the OL brought in. They fit our scheme and the beauty about zone blocking is as long as the guys can move, they don't have to be the best blockers they just have to get in people's way. I think the defense has the potential to put a lot of pressure on the opposing offenses which will make our secondary better. I also think Sam Darnold was a great move. Yes, he had a bad 3 seasons with the Jets, but he was thrown onto the field at only 20 years old with little experience. Never should have happened. At 23 years old I feel like we just drafted a QB except we've got tape of him playing in the NFL. I'm sure Rhule and staff already have everything worked out for him. They will immediately start coaching him and showing him what he does wrong and how to fix it. Then they will run an offense that fits his skills and give him the chance to succeed. That kid has the ability. He just needs good coaching and I think he'll have that here.

NO!

I'm with you all the way dude. I'm feeling really good about the ways things are going. I'm not saying everything will be perfect but we are rebuilding a team in a way that I don't expect use to draft higher than pick 8 again for a very long time. I think we are going to have an organization to be proud of very soon. I believe this team will have Darnold clicking and our rooks from last season are only going to get better plus we now can concentrate on getting he best players for our team in this draft without worrying about which position they play. These guys have a plan and they are making it happen.

Do you remember when Wilson rolled to his left and made that cross body throw during his pro day? Check this out

Denver could be an option. If Lock doesn't step up then they'd have a security plan. That way they don't have to draft one and create controversy. Then they could grab a great player at 9.

I don't want another Can here either. I think that's why I'm against drafting him. I might be wrong but I see that as a real possibility with him. I want a QB who can throw well. Running is a bonus.

Ok, sorry for trying to bring a little positivity into your catfight. Please by all means, enjoy yourselves.

Yeah so, I don't get your point but ok.

Ah, didn't know that. Yeah definitely seems like an oxymoron.

My goodness, will this ridiculous argument never end? Does everyone just like fighting with other people over the internet? Isn't this what twits and facepalm is for? Can't we all just be Panther's fans and talk about how great our team is getting and how much better their going to be and forget all of this. Our heads are filled with negative BS everyday and all the time. Can't this be the 1 place some of us can escape all of that? I try to ignore it but it never stops. Let the poor horse die peeps. Our motto isn't keep beating it's Keep Pounding. The Huddle is like the world, it needs MORE love and respect, not less.

I just can't get over the title of this thread. "meteoric rise" ( no offense intended at the poster) I'm pretty sure meteors don't rise but fall. Secondly, I tend to stop reading anything once I see the words "Bucky Brooks". Especially when it comes to QBs. He's terrible and he has an agenda that he promotes when it comes to QB evaluations. He's all about athleticism. If it were up to him, no kid that couldn't post a 4.60 or better would even be allowed to listed as a QB and half of the NFL would be running the Ravens' offense.

I can understand that and I definitely respect your opinion and both are excellent players. The main reason I would want LT as our pick if it isn't a QB is because LT is one of the most important positions and it's one of the hardest to get. It could even be argued that it's harder to find a good LT than a good QB but it's less important. But having a good LT, coupled with Moten on the right will improve the chances of success for any QB we may have moving forward. More than Chase or Pitts would. While they may be better players than what we have at those positions, the difference isn't as great as the difference we have between our current LTs and whichever LT we could get. However, if they believe we can get a sleeper LT in the 2nd that would work really well in our scheme then going for a potential superstar at another position would make sense too. I just think LT has been a glaring weakness for us for so long and with this draft being strong at the position I would really hate it if we didn't resolve that weakness in this draft.

I would also like to explain why I like both Wilson and Lance. I don't think I've done this yet around here. I believe another very important aspect of all prospects goes beyond their natural talents. It involves personalities and characteristics. As I cannot interview players I have to trust the coaches for that part but I can evaluate characteristics to some degree. Wilson has demonstrated the ability to improve. He had a good first season and then regressed a little in his second season as players will often do but he was battling an injury so it's understandable. But in his third season he showed great improvement and especially where it matters most to me in his passing and reading skills. This makes me believe that he can continue to improve and especially if he has the proper coaching. If they believe he's close to Teddy's level now, with improvement I could feel confident I have someone who will be much better moving forward. With Lance I also saw tremendous improvement but differently. He came from a small town school. He was a great athlete. Major universities did not want him as a QB for this reason. He went to NDS and was a RS and learned how to be a QB and in his first and only season was really good at it. That was a big improvement over who he was coming into University. Again, it demonstrates that he can learn and improve given time and coaching. Plus as a bonus it demonstrates a belief in his abilities. I really like that trait in a young player and especially at QB. I think both of those kids would be great here or with any team that put them into a position to succeed. That last part is so important for the majority of QB prospects. I think Carolina would offer Wilson and Lance a great opportunity to become good NFL QBs.

I won't discuss Lawrence as he's a Jaguar. Not doubts about it. Of the remaining "top 5" prospects, I honestly only want to of them For the Panthers. Wilson and Lance. If we traded up with the Jets I would be thrilled as long as we don't give more than the 49ers did to get 3. I think Wilson would flourish with us and quickly, I really do. Or I'd prefer to take Lance at 8 but if necessary I'd be ok with moving up 1-3 spots for him. I think he would flourish here as well but would need a little more time probably. However, long term he may be the better of the 2 for us. I don't think Jones is a good fit as we don't want a game manager. Fields has some qualities that we'd want, definitely more than Jones but I just don't think he will be able to do all the things we will be asking him to do in this offense. Listening to the interview it seemed to me that Cosell wasn't really high on him either. After years of a great athlete but average QB I don't want that again. I think Lance's QB skills are much better and that's why I'd would take him over Fields. If our only choice was Fields or Jones at 8, I would honestly pass on both and either get my LT or trade down a few spots and still get my LT. For me it's Wilson, Lance or LT. Anything else and I will be ok but not really happy.

Actually, I just found this interesting little chart of QBs in SBs and their Unis SB QB + Unis BYU is actually tied for third most going 2 for 2. Only Alabama and Purdue are better at 3 for 3 each. ND is 2 for 3 and Stanford is also 2 for 2