tukafan21

Again, the logic here from the Texans standpoint is just baffling. If the Texans tell us who they would take at #1 and then we're still willing to do the trade, then it means they're planning on drafting the player we won't be drafting. And if we're not taking the guy they want, they have LITERALLY ZERO reason to make a trade with us at that point, none, zilch, nada, NOTHING. Then from our side, the optics of making this trade to then say, "we don't care which of these two guys we get, we're 100% equal on both of them that we'll swap with the Texans and take whoever they don't want" would be an utterly terrible look. How do you make this trade and then just take whichever guy falls to you so that you can add a 3rd round pick instead of taking the player you prefer. If you make this trade as GM and are so torn between the 2 options that you're willing to accept either in exchange for a 3rd round draft pick, then you don't deserve to be a QB.

You have to be trolling me, right? Yes, the Bears traded a bunch of picks because they knew the 49ers weren't keeping that pick, that they weren't taking a QB and knew they'd be trading the pick, so they HAD to make the trade to get the guy they wanted. The Texans aren't stupid, they know we didn't give up everything we just gave up to then trade back down to #4 and just take whichever QB is available to us at that point. Also you just have to look at the fact that the Texans didn't make the trade with the Bears, it means they weren't offering much to make the move, because if they did, the Bears would have taken that swap and then traded down again. Which again brings me back to the super obvious point in all of this.... If we think the Texans want the player we want to draft, we'd never swap picks with them, while at the same time if the Texans don't think we're taking the player they want, they're not going to swap picks with us because there is no fear that we'll trade the pick to someone else who would then take their guy. It's just common sense, A+B=C

Yes, that might be how it normally works if you're doing a 1 position swap. However.... 1 position swaps don't happen when both teams are taking a player at the same position, particularly when that position is QB. 1 position swaps are only done because the team picking second is afraid of someone else making the trade for the draft pick ahead of them. The Texans wouldn't have that fear in this situation now, we're not trading back to #4 with the Colts now, just won't happen. So what is the reason the Texans would ever give us assets to move up 1 pick to take the player that would still be there for them at #2, while not giving up assets and getting a slightly cheaper contract for that player. It's just asinine to think the Texans will swap picks with us, there is literally zero upside for them to do that.

No, just no Because we could have moved up to #4 without giving up DJ and still ended up with whichever QB fell to that spot. We're drafting at #1 guys, just accept that

That would be even dumber Just think about it... why would the Texans tell us which player they want to take, then do the trade with us, and then still draft that player. Just logically, if we're willing to do that trade after they tell us who they want to take, then that means it's not the player we want and there is no reason for them to then give us assets to move up one spot and have to pay more on that contract at the same time. The only way it would work would be if we draft who they want and then trade that player to them for the 2nd pick, and that's not happening either.

This is going to sound weird, but........ I would have no problem offering that up, but if the Texans actually wanted to do it, then there is no way in hell we should. The Texans swapping with the Bears made sense as it would have been done so someone else couldn't swoop in and take the player they prefer. If they think we're taking the player they want, they'd want to swap picks with us still, but if they don't think we're taking the guy they want, then they'd never give up assets to then pay more money for the player they could get at #2. Basically in short, if the Texans want to do it, it's because they want to draft the same player we want. No way we gave up all those draft assets and DJ to take our second choice. And no, we can't really threaten them with, "well then we'll trade the pick to the Colts" because then we'll have given up WAY too much to move to #4 and the crapshoot of whichever QB is left.

And that was a smart decision, Fields isn't going to be a long term high end starter in this league, he's a worse passer than Lamar. I always felt the Bears should have been trading Fields and draft a new QB anyways.

I'll admit that even before seeing this I told my friends that I wouldn't mind trading back down to get some assets back. But in the end, the Bears making this trade with us means they weren't getting good offers from the Texans or Colts, as if they were okay with trading down to 9, they'd have taken one of those offers and then traded down again with us. So we're just not going to get enough assets back to make it worth trading back down at this point, you make this trade, you have to take your guy.

His height isn't as big of a problem as his weight/build. The kid is a twig, he's not going to hold up in the NFL, particularly as the defensive players just keep getting bigger and faster, guy will be broken before his second contract.

At this point I'm hoping we trade our 3rd for Hopkins, draft a rookie WR with our 2nd rounder, and then sign Odell Hopkins, Odell, 2nd Round Rookie, and TMJ is a pretty good WR room. Particularly for a rookie QB, as Hopkins and Odell both have outstanding hands, which can be helpful for a rookie QB who's accuracy could be questionable.

Would be real depressing to draft someone knowing they have almost no chance of staying healthy in the NFL, dude is gonna be broken pretty quickly, he's just way too small.

No, we'll know pretty quickly who the pick will be when one of these guys doesn't visit with the Texans, Colts, etc. The staff knows who they want or else they don't make this big of a trade this early, it won't take too long for it to be known who it is.

Yea, proven that he can't stay healthy, that's not what you want from a QB who's best asset is his running ability, he's going to break down faster and worse than Cam did.

That would be worse if it's spread out to multiple years as it then completely negates the advantage of having a QB on a rookie deal. Need to hope the hit is all in the first year or else it makes the trade even dumber than it already is.

I mean, not really... less trade compensation, sure... but then would have to give him a $45-50 million a year deal that's fully guaranteed. HELLLLLLLLL NOOOOOOOOO

I can't imagine they make this trade this early without knowing who they want to draft, that just seems dumb, which means to me that they fell in love with someone at the combine. If they did, it can't be Young since he didn't throw I also can't see it being Richardson as they could have easily traded with the Cardinals for less and still got him as Young-Stroud are going to go 1-2 in some order. So to me it says it's Stroud, right?????

We kinda have to, can’t have TMJ as your top WR for a rookie WR

Terrible gave up too much to draft a questionable franchise QB who now won’t have any good WRs to throw to. It just better be Stroud and not Young, guy won’t be able to stay healthy at his size.

I think he's be perfect for the Dolphins Tyreek and Waddle bring the speed on the outside so his lack of speed isn't a problem there, and he's probably the perfect possession type of WR for a QB with Tua's timing and accuracy, particularly since he's not a downfield threat, so it works with Tua's mediocre arm strength.

100%, nobody wants to give out guaranteed contracts to begin with, let alone for a player who hasn't finished the last 2 seasons due to injury, particularly when that player's best skill is what keeps getting him injured. This is going to be a fascinating case study in the end, as it's clear the Ravens don't even trust him enough to give him that guaranteed contract. If they won't do it, I can't see any other team willing to do it, as it's just a bad sign when his own team that has stated it badly wants to keep him and won't do it. It's going to be very interesting to see who blinks first, Lamar knows the Ravens don't want to let him go for free but the Ravens also know that nobody else is going to give him that fully guaranteed contract. This is where him not having an agent is a really bad idea, as a real agent likely would have been able to get a deal done with the Ravens by now, one that while maybe not exactly a fully guaranteed contract, it would have been structured in a way that makes it essentially fully guaranteed.

In no world is this draft "no different than the Burrow, Mahomes, or Allen drafts" Young isn't even on my draft board, his size alone is just something I'm not touching in this day and age of the NFL, let alone mortgaging the future to trade up and get him. Levis and Richardson both have serious production issues, to the point where neither have the tape to be worth top picks, they're just both guys with good traits that coaches think they can fix their issues with. Stroud might be the closest thing to a guy with minimal concerns, but that's it, and I don't think he's good enough to move up to #1 to get him when that cost would likely be the 9th pick, 2 future firsts, and both our 2nd's this year at a minimum. Plus, the argument of "if you believe in this staff, we won't be in position to draft a QB next year" is just asinine. The Chiefs had the 27th pick in the draft when they went and got Mahomes, and we're not going to be THAT good this year either. Even if we end up with say the 15th or so pick next year, which seems reasonable, you package that up with multiple future firsts and then multiple other early-mid round picks, you can move up as far as needed to get a QB. I know everyone is sick of trying to find a QB through other means than a high draft pick, but trading for the wrong one sets your franchise WAY further back than waiting an extra year to trade up for the QB. We need to have a roster fully put together and ready to compete for SB's before drafting the QB we hope to take us there, that's just how it works with rookie QB contracts these days. We're close, but not there yet, one more year of filling the holes in our roster can get us there, then bet the future next year on trading up for our guy.

There just isn't a QB in this year's draft that is worth what it will take to move up into the Top 3 to take them. I realize with a new staff and two 2nd round picks, people want to move up to get that franchise QB, but this year's class is just filled with guys with major question marks that the cost is too high. Stay put, maybe one of the top 4 QB's falls to us at 9, if not, keep our picks to fill out our holes and then trade as many future 1st's as needed next year to move up in a much better QB class. If we trade 9, our seconds this year, and future firsts for any QB in this class, it will be beyond stupid. Sure one of them could work out, but that cost is WAY to high given the concerns over the QB's in this class. At most, maybe I'd be okay with moving up to 5 or 6 if it costs say 9th pick, 49ers 2nd and maybe a future 2nd or 3rd. But I'm not okay with giving up any future firsts for this year's class, and really against giving up both of our 2nd's this year as well, too many holes that can be filled with those picks.

The pool room floor is too slippery with players "falling regularly"??? Seriously, we're a freaking NFL team with the second richest owner in the league, how is this actually a thing?!?!?! After the first incident, put down freaking rubber mats like they have at kiddie pools, problem solved for a couple hundred bucks. If not that, just re-floor the freaking thing. I realize it's not my money here, but c'mon, you can't risk players getting injured because they slipped in a room meant for health recovery, there is no way re-doing that floor is cost prohibitive when it comes to player safety.

Can't see how we'll be able to afford him, sure we'll clear up some cap space, but I feel like LB is the easiest place to find cheap options that can be effective than other areas we need to improve. Plus, when they move Chinn back to LB as I expect, that takes away one of the LB spots. Luvu, Chinn, Burns all as starters, think the little cap room we'll end up with is better spent on a 3-4 DE, S, CB, TE, or WR. And all that is if we address QB in the draft, if we don't, there goes all the available cap space we'll have.

In year 1, I'd have to think it really only would help with guys who played for these coaches in the past and have high opinions of playing for them. But if we have a good year and the staff is praised as a reason why, then I could see it helping us next off season, particularly with those guys who take the 1 year deals for lesser money to try and show out and get a bigger contract the next year, such as Reddick. But in reality, not sure too many players are signing with anyone because of specific position coaches, mostly just HC's and the occasional OC/DC depending on the player and coaches situation. What this will help out immensely with though, is the development of our young guys.