Mr Mojo Risin

Unfortunately Bryce will never have that "dog" mentality that Morgan was trying to preach. One of the things I loved most about Cam. Him tearing down that Packers banner will be one of my fondest memories. We dont have a single player on our roster that gives a fug that much.

Interesting. So what this is saying is if everything goes the way it's supposed too every play we have a potential MVP QB on our hands? Very interesting.

Winning cures all

And there it is...that damn black cat thing again

The problem with this thought process that assumes the WRs taken in the 1st round are actually 1st round talents. People like you have made such a big deal about Bryce being bad in his first 2 seasons and gave the excuse he had "enough" talent around him to be a good player. Here is the talent that was around him From NAS's thread First two years DJ Chark: free agent Hayden Hurst: free agent Diontae Johnson: free agent Terrace Marshall, Jr.: free agent Jonathan Mingo: traded Miles Sanders: released Laviska Shenault: free agent Why do you expect our young QB to have thrived with the likes of the above list if 31 other NFL teams choose to not surround their QBs with these players? Tmac is probably going to be a good WR. Is it a surefire thing? No it isn't. Same with XL. How many drops did this 1st round pick you are propping up on a pedestal have his rookie year? You want Bryce to throw it to him AND catch it for him? Sounds like unrealistic expectations if you ask me. All that aside it is put up or shut up time for this offense though. But just because we invested heavily in 1st round WRs doesn't mean they will automatically be good. With or without Bryce.

I loved Thielen here but this move makes sense. Tmac XL Coker Horn Jr. And Moore barring injury these guys need to see the field. Except maybe Moore but he's made some solid plays and has a good rapport with Young Coker to me could possibly be our best WR this year if Tmac struggles with separation. Sucks to lose Thielen but at the end of the day we need our young guys to cook

I thought Brown and Jackson were going to be the NTs. Pretty sure Wharton is more of a pass rusher maybe I'm wrong though

Yea this came out awhile ago watch the interview he definitely clarifies what he means. He def ain't broke he's got a lot of business ventures

TE is usually pretty tough at first. Give Sanders a chance to grow I'm sure there will be plenty of growing pains along the way TE isn't the easiest position to play

As much as we need an impact player from a pass rush perspective this one shouldn't be it as much as I'd love to have him for the next 2-3 years. 31 years old, wants a huge contract, and will cost us a lot to trade for him. No thanks

Buddy you're preaching to the choir. Igo banned me from posting in this forum during Rhules first year as HC. I was so pissed with the way they did Cam and how his career ultimately ended with the decisions that were made while we wallow away in mediocrity (honestly I would have taken mediocrity, it's definitely been more of a shitshow) Everyone on this board knows who you are and your views of the current situation. You've made them known repeatedly. You just gotta back off a little bit and let the cards fall where they may. Hopefully you and a lot of us will walk away from this season with hope for the future. I think our offense will be solid at some point. Might take a few games to get everything gelling (Could argue more preseason reps would have been a good thing) it CANNOT take them 1.5 months into the season to have a game resembling an NFL offense though. I'm truly worried about our defense I'm afraid we didn't really upgrade much at all. Just swapped a bunch of rookies and JAGs for more rookies and JAGs but I hope I'm wrong as should you!

Again you go to comparing QBs which I said more than once wasn't what I was doing with that analogy. I'll type it out again but I don't really know how much clearer I can type it it's already in black and white, but here it goes. Preseason Success/Failure is not an indicator of Regular season success. There are many examples I could have used. Considering we are on a Panthers forum and I'm supposedly talking to a Panthers fan why wouldn't I bring up Cam's preseason and the VERY suspect passing offense we saw in those games vs What we saw to start the regular season in 2011. It was a night and day difference. Last year we saw this offense put together scoring drives in the preseason albeit VERY limited action, much like this year. We were terrible to start the year on offense last year so seeing those drives didn't make much of a difference did it? You said you weren't happy with the Bills drive I asked you to explain what was wrong with it? Moved the ball down the field with accurate and decisive throws, maybe a little happy feet at times but overall it was a drive you wanted to see from this young team absolutely. After all that I know I'm talking to a brick wall but I needed to kill some time on a Monday. Try and not to be so miserable today Frank. There's more to life than preseason football.

In 2015 Cam Newton was yes. Cam Newton in 2011 was not and I'm not going to compare Cam's career and what he accomplished to the current situation we find ourselves in as a Franchise. I'm just pointing out a relevant situation in our team's history that proves you can't use a preseason game in which the QB threw 2 passes to dictate whether we are going to be a functional offense or not I mean it just doesn't make any sense. And the counter to that fact, you cant use a singular good drive by the offense to also dictate whether they are going to be a functional unit or not.

What was the issue with that drive? Hitting the open receivers and taking what the defense gives you is a problem? They drove down the field scored a touchdown and even converted on a 3rd and 6. Preseason play is not an indicator of regular season success. Cam Newton looked pretty awful throwing the ball in his rookie preseason games only to come out and break NFL records for passing lol. You just can't tell man. And predicting that a team that was bad last year, is going to be bad again this year isn't exactly rocket science

We've had great drives and have seen the 1st string O move the ball and score points in the preseason. It's been done already. They don't have to come out and score on every single drive in preseason. This game last year They put together that type of drive in the preseason last year and proceeded to poo the bed anyways the first two months of the season. It doesn't make a difference man. Good. Bad. It's preseason. Making assumptions about preseason play has NEVER been an indicator on whether a team is destined for a winning season or not.

Good or bad it's important to remind ourselves we won't really know what we have in Bryce and this team until the live bullets start to fly. I remember a good amount of people (including myself) being optimistic after the one Bills preseason drive last year only for Weeks 1 and 2 to go how they did. For anyone who needs a reminder I'm just glad Football is finally back.

They must really like Bam. Even still I'm sure we'll add someone before the season

Panthers made Horn the highest paid DB...can't really use that as a comparison

No thanks. Chances all of our WRs make it through the season healthy is slim. Thielen is one year older missed some time last year. Renfrow literally didn't think he was going to play football again. One injury and what was looked at as a "strength" of this team no longer is if we deal away assets. Off ball LB is the RB of the defense. That position just doesnt offer as much value anymore

I live in Indiana and took a trip that weekend to watch my two friend's teams play (Chiefs and Vikings) IN Minnesota when they were playing at a college field, I think TCF? Anyways, our plan was to watch the game (noon game) then do some shopping at the Mall of America, I wasn't planning on watching the Panthers play Seattle since I was out sight seeing and walking around after the noon game had ended. By the time we were walking back into the Mall the Panthers were down by 2 scores in the 4th or going into the 4th and we were all thirsty from walking around for 2.5 hours after the Vikings game so we decided to postpone shopping until after we ate. We found this nice little sports bar inside the mall that had the game on. Man, I'm so glad we skipped shopping because that was probably the most excited I've been in some time for a win. Beating Seattle in 2015 felt like the "monkey off the back" sort of feeling and I knew we had finally arrived as a team. The entire bar erupted when Cam hit Olsen for that walk off TD. Literally one of the greatest moments of my life. My friend wasn't so happy though lol, by the time the Panthers game ended ALL of the stores inside the mall had closed and he wasn't able to get any souvenirs. It was his first time watching a Vikings game live and making a trip like that so he was legit upset lol. I on the other hand couldn't have been happier.

If we are going to make a move at CB it will probably be around the time teams are cutting down to 53. That's when we will likely sign someone. After all, it wasn't until the end of August when we acquired Mike Jackson last year. I'd be on the lookout for a similar move especially if there's an injury.

Hopefully with an improved Dline there won't be many opportunities for him to miss tackles

What would we need the 7 mill for? Who would we sign? Clowney has experience that could be beneficial to the young guys we're bringing in. Keeping Johnson is just going to eat up the valuable reps the new draft picks would get behind the starters. By keeping Clowney we can have a good rotation of players while being able to give the old guys more of a break and we won't have to be too reliant on the young guys starting too early while they get acclimated to the NFL game

I'd consider cutting DJ Johnson before Clowney. He hasn't shown anything in the 2 seasons he's been here. In 27 games he's appeared in he has a half a sack. He will also be turning 27 in October. Clowney at least fills a role of having a veteran with some success in the NFL with high draft pedigree. If I had to choose between the 2 I'd choose Clowney. I don't see Johnson developing into a solid starter.

I imagine not much I think we may have even lost a bit but I'm purely speculating with 0 research. Just going off stuff I thought I heard last year