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You should because before the preseason fiasco and the start of the season fiasco, all the reports, including Frank’s responses, were that Fitterer and Reich were in lock step. Remember the press conference where Fitterer talked about both he and Frank saying who they wanted before and after the draft process and that they both picked Young and it was glorious? People got hung up on Tepper saying the point guard analogy in April when Brown was interviewed by a Panthers reporter describing how a QB needs to be a point guard in huge detail. That was in February. I think Tepper was just parroting Brown to make himself look like he knew what he was doing. Mrs. Tepper hugging Bryce always overshadowed CJ saying how he called her Mama Tepp. We fuged up as a team, probably more so because Fitterer always said he had Young as his #1 the year before, probably because we looked at all the QBs that year as well. Reich’s love for CJ started when he got on the hot seats for frankly doing a horrific job. He's been in the league a long time and has a lot of media friends and that was a face saving CYA which we know well with many years of Hurney. Still amazing to think how much better the team was under Rhule/Hurney before Fitterer got any control when Rhule was on the hot seat.

Fitterer traded away the #1 overall pick because Young was supposed to be ready immediately and we’d never pick low again. Then it went from him sucking up the playbook like a sponge early on to having to limit the offense in preseason.

You gotta remember that the odds are much tighter. Almost everyone is in the 7-10 range of wins and only the top, top teams will be above 10. Too many unknowns/regressions to the mean. We were horrific last year but even then we still win 2 games. The next worst was 4 wins.

Honestly, the usual suspects were in another atmosphere with there you don’t know football, preseason doesn’t matter at all BS. Those of us realists, mainly the ones who couldn’t believe we kept Fitterer around, could see how awful we looked and that it wasn’t because we didn’t want to show Atlanta and NO our real awesome offense.

I don’t know what video people are watching because I saw more incompletions and what looked like less pressure for Young. There is no way you can watch those and think Young is in the same ballpark as CJ. Several throws that Young just cannot make with his arm, period. CJ’s pocket wasn’t as clean but he was throwing it deeper on average. It’s done and there are no take backs but those videos don’t encourage me much. Young has a ways to go to be in the solid QB club and might not ever get there.

This is a play that shows his arm strength being a huge issue. The ball floats so badly because he can’t just zip it to a wide open WR. Mingo should have stopped his route instead of the fish flop he did but man, that ball took forever to get there.

4 YPA, ugh, so bad. I’m not a Young fan. It feels like 2nd half 2018 with him when teams figured out that Cam absolutely had zero arm strength with his shoulder. His YPA all year was damning and yes I know the talent around him was bad but his arm strength was so bad.

It’s going to be interesting to watch. It seems like with the Gs and RB in round 2 that we are focusing on the run more but we did go XL, DJohnson and Sanders as well. Canales was WR/QB coach at Seattle so he wasn’t really responsible for the running game but who knows.

Don’t know why people get so butt hurt by these articles. We were a hair away from 0-17 and even with 2 narrow wins we still finished 2 games worse that every other team. People in here thought we were shoe ins for the division last year. We are going to have to prove we are not the bottom.

Exactly, Coker was someone most people knew about. He was rated by the NFL as a 5th/6th round pick and I’m sure we scouted him. Acting like he’s an unknown UDFA is silly as he probably was among the first folks we talked to post draft. Canales knowing about Coker doesn’t make him a winning coach, nor does it make Coker a better prospect. If they are, they are, not because Nagy’s impressed that Canales knows Coker. Maybe we should be less impressed that Nagy doesn’t know Coker. I’m way more optimistic than last year, mainly because Fittermagic is gone but I’m waiting until we win before we announce that we’re all good now. Feels like every year since the 1-7 finish in 2018 we have these same OMG this guy does it way differently than our scrubs before until we realize we hired or kept scrubs and they weren’t better.

Sorry man, that analogy is being misinterpreted. The ceiling in your example is 48”. The 32” guy does not have a higher ceiling, he’s just got way more to do than the other guy but 32” guy can’t get to 54”. What you guys are trying to say is that Harrison, Odunze and Nabers are good enough right now to go top 4 to top 9 but their ceiling is pro-bowler because they’ve had multiple great college seasons and XL has a HOF ceiling because he’s only had one good year. If XL had so much talent that we could say he has a higher ceiling than those 3, he wouldn’t have gone 33. You are trying to cap those 3 as pro-bowlers. Those 3 are potentially HOFers. XL does not have HOF ceiling IMHO, but even if you want to say he does, it’s still not “higher” than the rest. I’m not saying the 3 will be, heck it’s more likely that at least one of them is a disappointment, but they absolutely have as high or higher ceiling than XL and a much higher floor.

I think you guys are being way too homerish here. The top 3 guys do not have less upside room. Thats silly and Ill be honest that while yes, every WR in the first few rounds could be the best WR in this class, just because XL is raw does not mean the top 3 have a lower ceiling. That would be like saying Chase, JJ, Lamb and others didn’t have high ceilings in the NFL because they were already more established. I welcome the chance that XL becomes a stud but you guys are being way to much of a homer to say he’s got the highest ceiling in a supposedly amazing WR draft with 3 potential studs taken top 10.

Slow your roll a little. Back in 2021, while many of us just wanted OL with almost every pick, there was a lot of cheering when we got TMJ right before the Saints. We got all excited for Fittermagic and in the end, we got poo instead of a pro-bowl C many of us wanted and NO got a starting LB and had to double up in 2022 on WR and got Olave and Shaheed. I don’t think we won the “screwing over” part of the draft then, and it worries me every time I see posts that mirror something we did in the Rhule, Hurney, Fitt and Reich periods. Here’s to hoping for different results and yes, to all that think cautious hope is terrible, I do actually want Legette and every other move to succeed. The past 6 years has sucked balls.

The pro day didn’t even matter. Fitterer was on record as saying he had Young number 1 the year prior to the draft as well. Complete Hurney 2.0 blinders on like Greg Little. While every other team used the combine to see how bad Little really was (he was a mid 1st prospect before any draft bowls/workouts), we basically ignored them. I think we had the same blinders on here.

SMH. Completely missed again. You are getting way too petty when I didn’t even call you out. Sorry for recalling something you posted before. It’s amazing how worked up people get. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a better result.

Also, if I was keeping score, I would have thrown this one out LOL. Happened to be one post above the Erving/Elflein thread. I do have to say the search function feels way better these days. Took seconds to search for you and Erving. Anyway, just chill man. I don’t really care and wasn’t trying to knock you at all. Just posting that your post brought me back to the optimism about OL pre-2021.

You need to relax a wee bit man. I’m not going to apologize for having a really good photographic memory. I’ve stored a serious amount of crap like this: Your topic was on Elflein and Erving’s fit after Fittermagic signed them. No need for me to call a number because it was your thread and if you don’t remember, that’s on you. You might want to work on your reading comprehension because I said that your post about Corbett and BC at Center reminded me of your topic on Erving and Elflein. I was sort of joking that that topic ended up poorly so I was worried about the Center spot more now. Sorry, not keeping score at all, that’s you reading into it however you want.

Appreciate the write up but all I can remember is a similar lengthy post telling us about why we Elflein and Erving will be better than we think. I also remember something about a 1000 yards and TMJ. Anyway, good write up but now I’m worried about C and I already was worried about not getting a rookie to develop for next year. This is the last contract year for both Corbett and BC.

So Legette is so bad than an UDFA is starting over him?

Not to be a Debbie Downer but we say the same thing every year since our last playoff appearance. X is gone and we have a better plan and now Y is unrestrained and can do his thing while Z now fits the new scheme, etc. We’ve been consistently ranked in the bottom half recently and that doesn’t usually take into account all the draft picks we’ve pissed away on bad trades. Those grades have been spot on for 6 years. I have a lot less issue with this draft compared to say the idiocy of ignoring OL as a huge weakness in 2021 or trading up for Little, DJ Johnson and Corral, but I still feel like there will be a bunch of guys we’ll wonder why the heck we didn’t take them. Hopefully, these guys ball out and we get 3+ impact starters, not just starters like Ian Thomas.

I was going to say something similar. I don’t need his Dad as extra motivation to make the 53. I hope he does just because we have some serious poo at the bottom of our WR group. Johnson, Thielin and Legette are the only guarantees. Mingo in his 2nd year is a lock as well but he can be beat out. The rest wouldn’t make other teams. Honestly, as an UDFA, Carolina is my top choice almost regardless of position. Backup depth is needed everywhere and there are a few starting spots that are manned by short term vets.

I’m hopeful but I was just stating the facts on where our grades were. We were not consistently getting lauded for our draft. Almost every grading I read put us in the bottom 10. I’m also not convinced we went BPA, especially in round 3 and day 3, with the exception of Sanders.

I’m with you. We have to stock through the draft. Look at 2021. Many in here (including me) wanted us to draft a ton of OL because Hurney had damn near ignored it and the OL was now poo. We took BC and the Deonte, who was dreadful at the Senior Bowl (worst OL). Many in here wanted Sewell or Slater if Sewell was gone and also a C like Humphrey in the 2nd and I know I pounded the table for Tre Smith, especially when he was still there in the 6th. KC has two back to back SB wins in part due to that great OL draft getting 2 long term starters for a 2nd and 6th. I think not getting a C in this draft was probably my biggest issue, especially the ones still available on day 3.

He’s right in our recent past. It’s not difficult to find the huddle draft opinions, especially in the Fitterer era. The Panthers drafting was so bad that even with huddle mistakes, the consensus in hear was way better than Fitterer.

SMH. Do you guys get that I was just trying to state that it’s fair for analysts to grade us on the players we actually selected and that’s it. You guys were getting so bent out of shape that our grades weren’t reflecting our new 2025 pick so I said I think it’s fair because then you’d have to consider everything like Burns. This circle jerk is not worth the energy.