Jon Snow

If they don't play him again this season and let him embarrass Tepper enough to throw in the towel you will see Young on the roster next season and we start this circle jerk all over again. I would rather get it over with as soon as possible.

And the alternative is?

If that's what it takes to end this experiment once and for all then I'm all for it. Send his ass out there and tell him to cut it lose. Make Tepper eat that humiliation until he cannot take it anymore. He owns this.

We don't have to pull for him to fail. He's already failed at everything he's touched since he bought the team. I'm actually hoping he does something right for once. What a dumb question.

Sounds like a different way of saying if the offer is enough we'll listen.

I doubt they stay status quo on qb. Of course it will come down to who's available and at what cost. It's impossible for me to believe the Young will get another shot here. It would be another exercise in futility that I don't think anyone wants to see again. There will some sort of competition brought in. Whether its a journeyman vet or a shot at a draft pick is yet to be seen. Dalton may or may not want to resign here if he has any other options.

You are assuming there's going to be a qb rated that high. What little I've seen of the names being thrown around I'm not so sure there's a 1st rounder among them let alone in the top 5. Maybe that will change as the college season plays out but right now there's no amount of hype going to make them top picks they way i see it.

It's been many years since those names were on a Panthers uniform. That's not several years and they had nothing to do with the Tepper era.

It will only get uglier from here.

I never did. His first year was a wait a see for me. But the trades and turning down the Burns deal sealed it for me. He was complete ass.

I do not know what Canales will ever be if anything. I'm not counting on a young Vince Lombardi here. Hell I settle for him being simply creative enough to but a good offense for now. I still think he's in over his head with this team and will probably flame out as fast a Rhule did. The only thing that will save him with Tepper is building a team to win some games. If he doesn't do that fast enough it's next man, or woman (Tepper will try anything) up.

True and I had missed that. I still say that's not enough to call him some qb guru. I call it coincidence if anything. And let me reiterate that's it's not because he didn't "fix" Young. Young is what he is. No one can fix that.

No, it's because he's had little to no actual experience at turning a qb around. It more attributing his contributions to something that he really had little to no impact on. 2 qbs he spent 1 year each with doesn't make him a qb whisper. Fans created that myth because they thought he would have the same impact with Young. It doesn't work that way. To be a "whisper" it would take many more years of work that he just doesn't have. So no, he's not some qb whisper and I wish that myth would die.

I think it's what fans, media and possibly Tepper thought he was because other qbs he was around had good seasons and assumed he was here to fix Bryce. Nevermind that he wasn't their qb coach during their turnaround. The only time he had a direct effect on an offense is in Tampa as an OC for 1 season. Somehow that translates in a qb whisperer. How, I do not know.

He is.

Yes, in years past that was the model all teams used to develop their qbs. Even then there were more failures than successes. In the past decade at least that's not been the case. It may swing back that way but it's not right now. But in Fields case he has not been nor will never be a pass 1st qb. You've seen them come and go over the years and those guys just cannot thrive in the nfl for very long. Their tendencies get figured out quickly and become less effective as a qb and all they have left with just running. He just another Tasom Hill without the passing or catching ability. Maybe if he sits for another year or two behind a good vet he could develop into something but you don't trade for a project like that.

That's the story of about every young qb drafted. They go to a bad teams and are thrown to the wolves. Fields is a gifted runner, but qb? Not so much. It's been what? 4 years since he was drafted? He's still struggling. I don't blame the team for passing on him because they sure as hell couldn't turn him into a franchise qb. I seriously doubt our current group can either.

Fields is a 1 read and run qb. If his first read isn't open he takes off, even when he doesn't need to. You cannot fix happy feet and lack of field vision.

I forgot which round Moton was selected in. Still, point remains the you've got to go back a while to find solid second round picks.

I didn't say that they were good at it. Moose was and Khalil were 2 of their best 2nd round picks. Come to think of it they may the only ones you could call the best. That's how far you have to go back to find one. Sad really.

No. If he's a FA I would kick the tires.

How could you forget Moose? If I remember correctly he was drafted in the second round.

Or track down the thicker kicker. I hear he's looking for work.

I don't know about abandoning it but I'm sure Andy would have wished they had ran it on that interception that finished us off. My only complaint would be that they had the opportunity to run it a few more times than they did to get the score even before the 4th quarter from where I sit but that's a hindsight observation. In the end they should have ran on their defense more each quarter as their run defense is almost as bad as ours. But I understand why they didn't. The game went sideways and that's all she wrote.