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Saxman definitely deserves his own reaction. Same with SCP.

He helps me believe

Both of y'all need to knock it off.

Cleveland game should do it

Must be nice to have been consistently competitive for several years. Glad they had the coaching thing figured out and finally the QB situation settled. Good for them.

I'm not even upset anymore if I miss a game and it happens to be a good one. I'll watch the replay but I don't plan my Sundays around the game during football season anymore. If I get to watch it, cool, but we've lost so often the last several years I'm just not that upset anymore. I basically just don't care much anymore. My involvement in here makes it seem like I'm more interested than what I am. I mean I do think that Rhule is bad and that he's gonna hold back the team while he's here, but I know he's not going anywhere so I'm just kind of like...

I'm here because I'm not ready to completely give up yet. I'm hoping that they can turn it around. If they don't then I'm probably gone....at least until Rhule is gone. I don't know. I've got a lot of other stuff going on that's been more interesting than the Panthers so I'd probably just put more energy into other stuff. Panthers is only a part of my life that's been becoming less and less a part of it because they seem to be stuck and I'm tired of waiting around for them to figure it out.

That was a huge part in why I lost faith in this team last year and why I have none this year.

Note to Baker.... Don't get comfortable with CMC in the backfield. Sorry to tell you so late.

Trailer hitch is an invention thought up by satan

i miss the days of 89 and 85. that was fun.

i'm on the same track. i think it will be better than last year, but only marginally. that schedule after the first few weeks, though, is brutal. going to have to be more than a couple teams taking some serious steps backwards to get beat by us. that said... i'm not going to look for, expect, or even feel i am deserving of some kind of explanation or apology if that happens and tepper does or doesn't fire rhule. i'm just along for the ride.

lol glad stuff like that happens to him too. did someone pay for him to do a cameo revealing their draft order?

this. there is no benefit to anyone in him giving an explanation, much less in apologizing. all that really matters is him firing rhule if this year isn't working out. as long as he does it i'm fine. this point in the year it's just about hoping for the best with what we've got. until we start losing i'm not going to dwell much on whether he should have been or should be fired. really just not much sense or sanity involved in fixating on it for the moment.

true and that's all i would need to see or hear, that he moved on from rhule. that's the only important thing. we all know why he would do it and the reason he waited was because he didn't want to give up too early on a long term investment. he took a risk. that's what business people do. that's what owners do. they take risks and it's kind of the nature of risks that they don't often pan out...in fact more often than not they don't work out. you've got to be ok with this or you'll never go anywhere. and as a spectator, you have to be ok with it too or you'll drive yourself nuts.

disagree with what?

why would he? you make decisions. some pan out. some don't. when they don't you just move on and go a different direction. it's just the nature of business. guy wouldn't even owe us an explanation. it's his team.

i'd get pigpen and put the ball in his hands. always leaves them in a cloud of dust.

would we trade him straight up for dalton schultz?

so maybe not yet? but it sounds like he's definitely open to the idea.

agreed. rhule is not a mastermind on any phase of the game. he can't just put anyone in there and succeed. he's got to find people that can handle that for him and if he can keep reloading in that way...more power to him. if it works and we're successful, keep doing it. if we can't reload with quality coaching talent and aren't consistently successful then we have to change direction. for the record, one winning season isn't near enough. i don't want rhule to be given the same rope that fox and rivera had where inconsistency was allowed. if a winning season is followed by a losing one, he needs to be gone. the other two should not have been allowed to continue that pattern.

yes...unless someone picked these guys for him and he was stuck with them, which is still a possibility but i'll give him the benefit of the doubt here. like @Ricky Spanish said earlier, whether he can duplicate the success he had this year of refilling vacancies has yet to be seen, but also as ricky spanish said, rhule did a better job than rivera of moving on from bad coaches. again, i don't know if rhule's hand was forced, but whatever the case, i hope that this was something that he learned had to happen. when coaches don't do the job well enough, you move on and find one that will get it done right and achieve the goals you set for it and you don't wait to do it. and i also hope that same standard is applied to him.

i think we've got a good staff, but i think this is probably a journeyman staff...not a long term one. so the concern about after coaches start taking better jobs and being able to fill those vacancies with solid coaching is a concern. hopefully after rhule has been around for a while (if we're going to be stuck with him for a while) is that he will have networked enough with other teams in the league that he would be able to build a more consistent coaching staff. that's one of many problems of not coming up through the ranks of the NFL is the lack of networking that has been done over the years. it leaves you with a very small pool of familiarity to draw from when looking to build and refill spots on a staff.

going to abstain from returning juvenile insults. you can win that pissing match. whatever. i'm tired of that poo. now responding like you were an adult... i expected year one to be a pretty meh year, but would have liked to see a little improvement over rivera's last year. first year and a lot of problems i can let that go. year two i expected to see some more wins...not necessarily playoffs and definitely not 10 wins, but we should have had a winning season or at least close to one. benchmark to reach for year two was a winning season. it's a very reasonable goal for any coach who knows what they are doing and it happens frequently when good coaches take over bad teams. year three is the year that any new coach should be hitting the playoffs and making a run. so did i expect 10 wins out of the gate? no. did i expect him to improve from year one to year two? was turning it from 5 wins to 9 wins unreasonable? no. again, a good coach that knew what he was doing would have been able to make that happen and we've seen that happen a lot over the years. we've seen more dramatic ones that that happen pretty often. now as far as me complaining after 10 win seasons? why would i? all i want is to win. of we're doing that i and 99% of the board would be totally fine with that. and calling me a bandwagon fan? lol just going to let that one go.