We didn't do Cam any favors, and if this is it we're gonna have some problems

[hdevonxz]

So you know for a fact he was a reach? What team do you work for?

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I don't know for a fact, what I am doing is using my opinion based on several other opinions of various researching methods.  Obvoiuosly we're speculating on a theoretical event, but it is in my opinion that KB wasn't a first round receiving talent, he is very raw, and has a lot of question marks, his most redeeming feature is his size.....which I simply don't believe will keep him in the league for long.....like come on 240 lbs???  Several teams have been cited as thinking KB had bust written all over him, which I don't think will be true but any time there are rumors out there like that then you have to stop and think about why they are there and why those opinions were formed.  KB reminds me of James Hardy for the Bills awhile back, 6'5' / 220, out of the league at age 28.  Not saying that same will happen, just pointing out the reasoning that not too many tall, big receivers emerge to be as dominant as their size suggests......

[iamhubby1]

Answered my question with a question, but KB would have fallen to the 2nd round, he was a reach at 28,  And wasn't the best player available.    He did, however, address a need that we have.  So what I'm getting at is that you truly never draft BPA, because it's simply not logical, you instead address the BPA FOR YOUR NEEDS, and IMO you delegate those needs based on importance.  Why didn't we draft a QB in the draft?  There was a BPA QB at a time for many of our picks, yet we were NEVER going to do so, why?  Because we don't NEED one.  The point of early round picks is to take guys who will make an impact on your team immediately.  Who has at least some chance of starting.

Looks as though this hit a soft spot with a few of our fellow Huddlers.

Sure we needed a WR. Maybe. We have 4 that Gman brought in. We very well could have taken someone other than KB. But...he was the best player for Gman and the Panthers.

You never answered my question though. Who was BPA at 28? In your opinion, was there anyone better?

And we weren't taking a QB because not one in this draft was worth taking. Maybe 3-4 Tackles worth taking, and they were all gone. Dline? None at our pick worth taking either. CB, S, LB? Nope.

We took who we thought was the best of the rest. A beast of a kid.

[iamhubby1]

I don't know for a fact, what I am doing is using my opinion based on several other opinions of various researching methods.  Obvoiuosly we're speculating on a theoretical event, but it is in my opinion that KB wasn't a first round receiving talent, he is very raw, and has a lot of question marks, his most redeeming feature is his size.....which I simply don't believe will keep him in the league for long.....like come on 240 lbs???  Several teams have been cited as thinking KB had bust written all over him, which I don't think will be true but any time there are rumors out there like that then you have to stop and think about why they are there and why those opinions were formed.  KB reminds me of James Hardy for the Bills awhile back, 6'5' / 220, out of the league at age 28.  Not saying that same will happen, just pointing out the reasoning that not too many tall, big receivers emerge to be as dominant as their size suggests......

They brought KB in. Put him through the paces. Then had him at the white board. According to sources, he aced it.

He is a Beast. With a football IQ good enough to wow Gman and Rivera. That my friend is BPA.

[Jon Snow]

I don't know for a fact, what I am doing is using my opinion based on several other opinions of various researching methods. Obvoiuosly we're speculating on a theoretical event, but it is in my opinion that KB wasn't a first round receiving talent, he is very raw, and has a lot of question marks, his most redeeming feature is his size.....which I simply don't believe will keep him in the league for long.....like come on 240 lbs??? Several teams have been cited as thinking KB had bust written all over him, which I don't think will be true but any time there are rumors out there like that then you have to stop and think about why they are there and why those opinions were formed. KB reminds me of James Hardy for the Bills awhile back, 6'5' / 220, out of the league at age 28. Not saying that same will happen, just pointing out the reasoning that not too many tall, big receivers emerge to be as dominant as their size suggests......

So in other words you don't know squat. You're just another angry fan that didn't guess right when the pick rolled around. Get over it or pick another team whose drafting philosophy matches your own. Might I suggest the Redskins or the Cowboys to start?

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[hdevonxz]

They brought KB in. Put him through the paces. Then had him at the white board. According to sources, he aced it.

He is a Beast. With a football IQ good enough to wow Gman and Rivera. That my friend is BPA.

 

I think we have different BPA definitions, my definition is the BPA is the BPA among the pool of all draft-able players.  I don't view it as the BPA on a team specific draft board, or BPA among candidates we've looked at.   AT that point then you'd be aligning with what I've already said about drafting the BPA for our needs, etc.  Not just the BPA overall.  

[hdevonxz]

Looks as though this hit a soft spot with a few of our fellow Huddlers.

Sure we needed a WR. Maybe. We have 4 that Gman brought in. We very well could have taken someone other than KB. But...he was the best player for Gman and the Panthers.

You never answered my question though. Who was BPA at 28? In your opinion, was there anyone better?

And we weren't taking a QB because not one in this draft was worth taking. Maybe 3-4 Tackles worth taking, and they were all gone. Dline? None at our pick worth taking either. CB, S, LB? Nope.

We took who we thought was the best of the rest. A beast of a kid.

 

 

To me the BPA at 28 was Teddy Bridgewater.  

 

And we definitely needed a WR, there's no maybe about it.  You're kinda contradicting yourself by saying we didn't really need one....and then going on to say he was the BEST player for the Panthers...

 

And that whole nonsense about their not being one worth taking is just that, nonsense to me.  When you get into the later rounds the players you pick are picked because of their potential, you pick them with the hope that they'll work out.  Maybe they have character issues that caused them to fall, maybe they weren't tall enough or fast enough at the combine, that is already understood.  That doesn't mean you just go out and say they're not worth drafting, so I'm going to keep drafting players for positions we already have filled.  Think about this, when you draft late and draft for need you're hedging your bets.  You're not putting all your eggs in one basket, you're simply spreading out your risks. Which makes complete sense to me, Gettleman doesn't determine who is " worth drafting" because simply the drarft process is a lot like the market place.  DG might pass over someone, becaus he thinks he's not worht drafting, but then when someone else thinks other wise and drafts him and that player turns into a stud....then what?    

 

You guys are being kinda ridiculous trying to justify a roster with Chandler and Bell at our tackles.....and no one else?  No back ups?  So when we sort through all the free agents and undraftables, they will then become magically worth it?  Just not worth drafting?   Maybe I'm not seeing something, but I think everything I have said has some reasoning to it, and some good questions.

 

[TheRed]

Good grief, people are still at it with this?

[iamhubby1]

I think we have different BPA definitions, my definition is the BPA is the BPA among the pool of all draft-able players.  I don't view it as the BPA on a team specific draft board, or BPA among candidates we've looked at.   AT that point then you'd be aligning with what I've already said about drafting the BPA for our needs, etc.  Not just the BPA overall.

BPA=the best player on your board. Not the best player left. Everyone puts their board together differently, true. But as a general rule, you pick the best, most talented athlete left. Unless you have a Pro Bowl starter at that position. Otherwise, yes, you take what you consider the best player left.

 

 

To me the BPA at 28 was Teddy Bridgewater.  

 

And we definitely needed a WR, there's no maybe about it.  You're kinda contradicting yourself by saying we didn't really need one....and then going on to say he was the BEST player for the Panthers...

 

And that whole nonsense about their not being one worth taking is just that, nonsense to me.  When you get into the later rounds the players you pick are picked because of their potential, you pick them with the hope that they'll work out.  Maybe they have character issues that caused them to fall, maybe they weren't tall enough or fast enough at the combine, that is already understood.  That doesn't mean you just go out and say they're not worth drafting, so I'm going to keep drafting players for positions we already have filled.  Think about this, when you draft late and draft for need you're hedging your bets.  You're not putting all your eggs in one basket, you're simply spreading out your risks. Which makes complete sense to me, Gettleman doesn't determine who is " worth drafting" because simply the drarft process is a lot like the market place.  DG might pass over someone, becaus he thinks he's not worht drafting, but then when someone else thinks other wise and drafts him and that player turns into a stud....then what?    

 

You guys are being kinda ridiculous trying to justify a roster with Chandler and Bell at our tackles.....and no one else?  No back ups?  So when we sort through all the free agents and undraftables, they will then become magically worth it?  Just not worth drafting?   Maybe I'm not seeing something, but I think everything I have said has some reasoning to it, and some good questions.

KB proved to Gman and Rivera he knew what was what. They would not have taken him just for the measureables. They want football players. KB has a good football mind. Hence the selection.

To me? There wasn't 1 QB in this draft worth taking with a 1st round pick. So glad I didn't have to chose one.

Rounds 1-3 you take the player that you feel makes you better. That can come right in and fight for a spot. After that, you take the best talent left. Why did we take a CB? Because we felt he was the best player left. We didn't need one, we have established starters at that position. But we thought Bos10 was a good athlete, with a high football IQ.

Hey I agree, some folks get a little heated when discussing BPA. But hellz, for some it don't take much for them to jump in with both oars.

[Jon Snow]

Good grief, people are still at it with this?

Nah, just some of us like stirring up the resident pro scouts on here. It's fun! You should give it a try! Its more fun than cow tipping!

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[Khaki Lackey]

James Hurst would have been a late round pick, so there is no livelihood to be wagered. Drafting him would have been more of a calculated risk. Do I think that he was worth that relatively slight risk in light of our specific need for potential starters (or just plain depth) on the O-line? Yes. Let's not forget that pre-injury, Hurst was receiving anywhere from a round 2-3 grade. So, at the end of the day, I wouldn't bet against him.

Don't forget that Ozzie Newsome has been in the business for a long time as well, and specifically a successful GM a lot longer than G-man, and he snapped Hurst up just as soon as he could.

Lucky for Hurney that I didn't pay attention to his drafts or the business side of football at the time, or i would have raked him over the coals in this forum. I still think that G-man is doing an overall good job, even though I don't necessarily agree with all of his moves. But, hey, this is a forum---a discussion board.

No worries, I think we're on the same page. (Discussing, not arguing.)

I wasn't ecstatic about the Ealy pick, but I get it.

I agree that if you're going to roll the dice on a player, do it in later rounds. I guess Gettleman feels that Gaffney might be the AJ Klein of our offense this year. Conversely, Hurst might be the Jeff Otah or worse...Byron Bell of the Ravens next year.

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[panthersphan]

So grabbing WR in the 1st + a OG in the 3rd doesn't help Cam out?

OP is delusional, a Cowboys fan , or both.

Next year we'll draft OT 1st Round

[frash.exe]

You know why you're not happy with our draft right now?

I put more time and effort into this draft than any other...

Right here.

I used to do the same thing. I used to invest a lot of thought and evaluation and picking my favorite players, thinking that a successful draft was about going down a bullet point list of needs and I ended up learning the reality of it all, which is you shouldn't get overly attached to anybody, and leaving one hole at a position isn't the end of the world. I barely followed the draft until maybe the week before it went down. I mean yeah, I knew who many of the main people were, but still, I refuse to invest so much emotion in it anymore. I liked Pierre Desir a lot for example, and when I saw him gone on the tracker right before we picked in the fourth, I was peeved, but honestly, Pierre could end up looking like absolute crap in the pros, and Tra Thomas could end up being an AP all pro safety, and then the Browns would have done us a huge favor taking him off the board.

[frash.exe]

Ahhhhh Tra Boston not Thomas

We really need editing back

[TheRed]

Tre Boston.