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Manziel Not Impressing


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What is your definition of "showing your ass"? I'm pretty sure every single person that posts here has been guilty of that at at least one point in their lives. You think that Luke, and Cam have never been out partying before? You may need to get out more stirs.

 

no the difference is he kepts getting filmed over and over and over and over and over.

 

he needs better friends and know when and where to drink, let loose.

 

i don't think anybody here is saying these players can't do this, there is just a place and time.

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no the difference is he kepts getting filmed over and over and over and over and over.

 

he needs better friends and no when and where to drink, let loose.

 

i don't think anybody here is saying these players can't do this, there is just a place and time.

 

I agree about the being filmed part, obviously that is ridiculous. As highly scrutinized as Cam was coming out of college, I don't think he was ever as high profile as Johnny Manziel currently is though, and certainly Luke was not. Johnny is just going to have to adjust.

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no the difference is he kepts getting filmed over and over and over and over and over.

 

he needs better friends and know when and where to drink, let loose.

 

i don't think anybody here is saying these players can't do this, there is just a place and time.

 

Considering it's happened often enough: How do we know Manziel (in some perverted type of way) does it on purpose, believing in the old axiom "Any Publicity Is Good Publicity"?

 

Maybe he wants this stuff out in a weird kinda of way?

 

Whether he does it on purpose; really doesn't care, or his "friends" do it to him, neither results are good.

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From my understanding he's not hurting anybody, doing anything illegal, nor does it seem to get in the way of him working hard at his job. Who cares if he living it up? God know there are plenty of individuals in the major sports who are doing the same thing.

 

 

Whatever, that is not how it works especially for rookies and young players. He needs to keep his head down and play football, try to earn his teammates respect and hope he can cut it on the field. 

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A significant percentage of NFL rookies might be behaving in styles similar to or worse than Manziel, and we wouldn't know it because the media doesn't follow most of them around like they do Manziel. 

 

Either he will be able to perform at an NFL level, or he will not.  What he does at bars when he is not playing football will have little impact on how he performs on those Fall Sundays.  Unless of course he continues to do it during the NFL season, then it might become a problem. 

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Whatever, that is not how it works especially for rookies and young players. He needs to keep his head down and play football, try to earn his teammates respect and hope he can cut it on the field.

If he plays, studies, practices and trains hard he will earn his teammates respect. There have been no reports that says he hasn't done just that. Him living it up for two weekend nights doesn't prevent that from happening.

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I agree about the being filmed part, obviously that is ridiculous. As highly scrutinized as Cam was coming out of college, I don't think he was ever as high profile as Johnny Manziel currently is though, and certainly Luke was not. Johnny is just going to have to adjust.

 

 

Johnny brought that all on himself though. If he wasn't out acting like a jackass, the media wouldn't be following him around. He's "high profile" BECAUSE of how he has acted in the past, the media is hoping, nay, expecting him to do it again. They'll be there to run the story and get website hits/tv viewers etc. 

 

Now Im not harping on the guy, he's just out having what he considers fun, I don't fault him for that, but when the kid comes out and whines about the media pressure he's under, well he's only got himself to blame. If he was boring, just went to class, went to practice then went to a bar/party WITHOUT being thrown out, he wouldn't have a fraction of the media buzz around him. 

 

And im not talking about pressure to perform on the field, thats a separate thing. The cameras are on the dude because they want to be there when he does something "news worthy" like being tossed out of a strip club or something, which going by his previous history, is highly likely.

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I agree about the being filmed part, obviously that is ridiculous. As highly scrutinized as Cam was coming out of college, I don't think he was ever as high profile as Johnny Manziel currently is though, and certainly Luke was not. Johnny is just going to have to adjust.

To expand on what you said, he thing is that he has been high profile since he won the Heisman so it isn't as if he didn't know what to expect and wasn't prepared.  The difference is college coaches really do watch their players and manage their activities and in the pros players are supposed to manage themselves.

 

Does he get to act like a normal 21 year?  Of course not,this is what he signed up for when he chose the path he did.   People who compare each of us to Manziel and say that he should be cut slack because he is still a kid don't realize that Johnny has never been able to just be a kid and not have everyone watch him.  It reminds me of being royalty.  You are taught at a very early age that everyone will be watching and you have to conduct yourself accordingly. 

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