Most Irreplaceable Defenders - Kuechly #2

[LinvilleGorge]

You're trying to discredit Sherman to make your point. If Seattle had a 'great' LB instead of Sherman they would be watching the 9ers in the superbowl. LBs don't normally make game defining plays. They just do clean up duties. They're most value against the running game. Only problem is, the NFL is a passing league.

A LB can make just as many game defining plays as a CB. It's a lot tougher to gameplan away from an elite MLB than an elite CB. Especially the way Seattle uses Sherman. You know where he's going to be on ever snap. You can go away from him. With Luke, he's gonna be right there in the middle and he has the sideline to sideline speed to cover the whole field. Just find Luke on any given play and you'll find the ball. He's involved in a lot more plays than Sherman.

I'm not knocking Sherman. He's excellent. But IMO Kuechly is more valuable to us than Sherman is to Seattle. That entire secondary is nasty. Luke's our QB on defense.

[nosuchthingasapanther]

Don't get me wrong...he'd still be really good, just not as good. If the seahawks could really just ignore whatever side of the field he was on they would move him around to whatever side the offenses #1 WR was on...but they don't.

they don't move him around because that's not their scheme.

seattle's secondary's primary focus is to play the ball. in the end, it doesn't matter where a #1 receiver lines up. the fact that an offense won't line a #1 on sherman helps limit the offense itself.

[LinvilleGorge]

The responsibility nonsense fall back argument again. At the end of the day players have to make plays to win games. When it comes to making plays Sherman is more valuable. Our defense depends on one of the best DLs in the league to create havoc in the opponent's backfield. If we add Sherman to that equation we'd also cause havoc in the secondary. In a 3-4 scheme Keuchly would have been more valuable. In a 4-3 LBs do mostly clean up duties.

Ironic that you accused me of devaluing Sherman to make my point while you post drivel like this.

You act like just anyone can play LB in a 4-3. If you think Kuechly would be more valuable in a 3-4, you should go track down some of Ray Lewis' comments on playing insode LB in a 3-4.

Who was the Seahawks' Super Bowl MVP? Richard Sherman, right? Oh wait, Malcolm Smith? But he's a LB! We know those guys have no value, especially against a passing team! Oh wait, Denver had one of the most prolific passing attacks in NFL history? Oh snap.

[iamhubby1]

The responsibility nonsense fall back argument again. At the end of the day players have to make plays to win games. When it comes to making plays Sherman is more valuable. Our defense depends on one of the best DLs in the league to create havoc in the opponent's backfield.  If we add Sherman to that equation we'd also cause havoc in the secondary. In a 3-4 scheme Keuchly would have been more valuable. In a 4-3 LBs do mostly clean up duties.

I would say that the amount of responsibility you have is a direct correlation to how important you are. Sherman has less responsibility than Luke. Ergo; Luke is more important.

[iamhubby1]

Fall on the pile and get credit for half a tackle. LOL

How many TEs did Sherman cover? But I guess that doesn't count as a responsibility.

[LinvilleGorge]

That's your logic. In your mind it would seem to make sense that LBs would be more valuable because they go sideline to sideline to chase RBs. But you forget that when a great DL does its job a LB in a 4-3 scheme does nothing but fall on the pile to get a half credit for a tackle. It's no coincidence LBs flourish in a every team with a good DL, like Alonzo, Bowman, etc. CB is(admit by Terrel Owens) the most physically demanding position on the field. CBs have no support at all. It's a very specialized position capable of being played by just a specific group of people. They don't get half INT credits to pad their stats.

Kuechly led the league in tackles and won the DROY when we were very poor at the DT position.

[nosuchthingasapanther]

I would say that the amount of responsibility you have is a direct correlation to how important you are. Sherman has less responsibility than Luke. Ergo; Luke is more important.

so if luke sucked ass as a middle lb he'd still be more important simply because he has more responsibility?

[Peppers90 NC]

 CBs have no support at all.  It's a very specialized position capable of being played by just a specific group of people. They don't get half INT credits to pad their stats.

this is totally wrong.  safeties especially, but a pass rush both support corners, no more or less than they do a MLB.  Thomas and Wagner are the vocal leaders of that Seattle defense while Kuechly and Davis are ours.  

 

I was almost going to say I agree with the part that Owens said corner is the most physically demanding position but then I forget about all the 300LB blocks that the LBrs have to take on a lot of plays 

[Peppers90 NC]

Lol the white guy with a motor and high football IQ trope rearing its ugly head again

most people forget his measurables at the combine beat out almost every DB in that draft class.

[The Huddler]

I love Keuch and he's a BEAST, but Rivera can make a top defense out of striaght scrubs and has done so in the past.

Keuchly lost would suck, but as a D we would survive

[updownsigma]

Sherman plays secondary. You're making circular argument. Sherman is great because of Seattles secondary doesn't make sense.

So I can't say Detroit's offense is good because Calvin Johnson is good or Denver's offense is great because Peyton Manning is great? By your logic those are circular arguments as well, since both those players play offense.

Either way let me clarify my original statement for you:

Sherman is great because the OTHER players in Seattle's secondary are great.

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[nosuchthingasapanther]

Sherman is great because the OTHER players in Seattle's secondary are great.

and vice versa.

[LinvilleGorge]

Haplo E knows everything guys. The rest of us are just a bunch of idiots.

[MadHatter]

That would make Gabbert and Sanchez more valuable than Sherman too. Great logic there. Stop clinging on the responsibility argument. This is not your 9-5 job.

 

Are you just trolling?  Or, are you really that big of a moron?

 

Inquiring minds really want to know.