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Hornets Sign Marvin Williams

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yasuhara2241 Contributor

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The market dictates contracts. This is why we gave Hayward a max, MW $7M, and why Lance still hasn't signed. There are a lot of teams with money and more than likely some that would have given MW a contract in the $5/$6M range. It comes to whether or not he is a good fit and if the Hornets wanted him....which apparently they did.

Cho was a genius to you all after the draft and now he's an idiot? You must be the same people pooping all over Gettleman too.

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Great post! I agree completely. Market dictates and the market is paying a ton right now. The main problem was Jordan saying we were going to get a Superstar. If he didn't say that we wouldn't be going crazy over every signing or non-signing. 

 

Also I think that problem Cho and company weren't expecting prices this high which has probably thrown things for a loop. 

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2013-14:

McBob- 31 Mpg 8.5 Pts 44% Fg (36% 3-pt)

Marvin- 24 Mpg 9.1 Pts 44% Fg (36% 3-pt)

McBob- 4.8 Reb 4.3 Ast 0.7 Stl 0.6 Blk 1.1 Tov

Marvin- 5.1 Reb 1.2 Ast 0.8 Stl 0.5 Blk 0.8 Tov

Literally the only thing McBob does better is pass the ball. Marvin is better at every other aspect of the game. He was more productive with less playing time & a lesser role. I won't even bother posting their career stats. Marvin has been a productive, solid player his entire career, McBob has not.

If we sign Stephenson we won't need a point forward anymore. Marvin is a better player who took a smaller length deal than McRoberts, & is also more versatile & can play the 3, which allows Zeller/Vonleh more playing time.

 

That 3 assist a game difference is worth about 6 points though......

 

I don't know who is a better player.  They seem to add about the same value to me.  

The one thing I do know is that we have fuged the cap for the offseason if we want to go after a big name.  And I just have a hard time believing it took 7 mil a year to get MW and that we needed to sign him now.

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There have been 3 media entities (2 which are reputable, one not as much) citing sources saying we are pursuing Lance Stephenson and/or have been talking to his agent.

 

Bonnell cites no sources and everyone considers the case closed.

 

Just saying.  We will figure out a way to get it done if we have a chance. 

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That 3 assist a game difference is worth about 6 points though......

 

I don't know who is a better player.  They seem to add about the same value to me.  

The one thing I do know is that we have fuged the cap for the offseason if we want to go after a big name.  And I just have a hard time believing it took 7 mil a year to get MW and that we needed to sign him now.

 

Think about it this way, we needed a PF to help groom Zeller/Vonleh. We only needed a two year deal and not longer bc the idea is that they will be ready after 2 years. Since most of the tier 1 and 2 guys are getting 4 yrs, we need to overpay for a solid tier 2/3 player to get a 2 yr deal. 

 

Also not having a big signing will make let us offer the max next yr to that group. Go after Klay Thompson who fits the mold of our 3pt shooting guard. 

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People thought Marvin Williams was a high quality when they thought he was coming for 4-5 per. We sign him for 7 and they think hes trash.

Sorry but his skill set is what commands 4-5.

Face up jump shooter..basically an Anthony Tolliver. It seems like a panic move now.

The micalculation on the lowball offer to McBob, whos passing skillset is what seperates him quite a bit from Williams will be missed.

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Sorry but his skill set is what commands 4-5.

Face up jump shooter..basically an Anthony Tolliver. It seems like a panic move now.

The micalculation on the lowball offer to McBob, whos passing skillset is what seperates him quite a bit from Williams will be missed.

McRoberts doesn't even have a fraction of the defensive skills that Marvin Williams has.

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Think about it this way, we needed a PF to help groom Zeller/Vonleh. We only needed a two year deal and not longer bc the idea is that they will be ready after 2 years. Since most of the tier 1 and 2 guys are getting 4 yrs, we need to overpay for a solid tier 2/3 player to get a 2 yr deal. 

 

Also not having a big signing will make let us offer the max next yr to that group. Go after Klay Thompson who fits the mold of our 3pt shooting guard. 

 

 

I'm not sure Zeller isn't ready to go this year anyways.... I was OK with letting McBob walk.  To me, Zeller has a much higher ceiling.  

 

I see the move to sign Marvin Williams as tightening up the rotation.  Williams, MKG, and Zeller are going to get a lot of minutes at the 2 forward spots.

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Think about it this way, we needed a PF to help groom Zeller/Vonleh. We only needed a two year deal and not longer bc the idea is that they will be ready after 2 years. Since most of the tier 1 and 2 guys are getting 4 yrs, we need to overpay for a solid tier 2/3 player to get a 2 yr deal.

Also not having a big signing will make let us offer the max next yr to that group. Go after Klay Thompson who fits the mold of our 3pt shooting guard.

We will not have any money next year.

Zeller's, MKG's, Vonleh's, and Hairston's contracts will all escalate on the rookie scale. Totaling up to $15 mil

Jefferson is going to get a huge extension. Maybe up to $18 mil per season. Kemba is going to get at least $8.5 mil per year. Taylor will also probably get $2 mil a year. Totaling up to $28 mil

Williams and Henderson will count for $13 mil.

Assuming we sign a good back up point guard this year, there goes another $5 mil.

Now factor in another million for our draft pick.

We may have $2 mil in space by the time free agency rolls around.

We will be using the MLE and bi-annual to fill out the roster next year. Not a max contract.

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It feels like if they wanted Lance, they'd have him already.  He's just been hanging out there and the Hornets - according to most all sources - haven't made a hard move to get him.  Maybe they're trying to wait it out and hope he signs for less money when he sees what the market is offering.  But just from their actions so far this offseason, it looks like Hayward was "their guy."  They wined and dined him, then offered him a massive contract they were hoping the Jazz wouldn't match since the Jazz wouldn't pay him that much during their previous negotiations.  It didn't work.  I'm sure they're disappointed.

 

As for Williams, it is what it is.  Yes, we could've had McRoberts for cheaper and he'd already know the system, Clifford likes him, and he'd be a good mentor for Vonleh.  But at the time, maybe Cho didn't feel like he was worth that type of money.  And now as the good players are getting gobbled up, Williams is pretty definitively the best 4 available.  Vonleh most definitely isn't ready to step into a starter's role, so they needed a vet to step in and basically fill that spot until Vonleh IS ready.  As someone already posted, Williams and McRoberts are very similar, with Williams being a slightly better scorer and defender, and McRoberts being a better passer.  So it's pretty much a wash.  It's not a great signing, it's not a terrible signing, it's what we had to do in the situation because we're running out of options.

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There is a report out there, that I haven't posted because I don't know a lot about them, quoting a source that we have contacted Stephenson's agent about a deal.

 

Again, I don't know this guy so I am haven't posted it.  I try to only rely on people I somewhat know, or from reputable sources.  But it is out there.

 

I am not losing faith!!  I am always an optimist

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There is a report out there, that I haven't posted because I don't know a lot about them, quoting a source that we have contacted Stephenson's agent about a deal.

Again, I don't know this guy so I am haven't posted it. I try to only rely on people I somewhat know, or from reputable sources. But it is out there.

I am not losing faith!! I am always an optimist

You mind sharing the report?

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