Robert Downey Jr joins Captain America 3, Marvel to do Civil War.

[Growl]

That link Crixtala posted said the name is supposedly Captain America: Fallen Son, not Cap:Civil war. Hope that doesn't mean what I think it means.

I also have a few worries after thinking about it for a bit. This movie needs to be Captain America 3. Not Captain America Vs Iron Man: Dawn of Marvelness. Not Twilight: Steve Vs. Stark: WHOSE SIDE ARE YOU ON? with a Taco Bell promotional campaign. For it to be its best it needs to be Captain America 3 with Tony Stark as the main antagonist and I'm not sure that'll be the route Marvel wants to go. I want to see the fight from Captain America's perspective. Downey only needs as much screen time as Redford got in Winter Soldier-this shouldn't be Iron Man 3.5.

[Crixtala]

my take on everything moving forward...

I doubt RDJ becomes the "villain" in CA3... my guess would be that throughout the movie, while Cap is looking for Fury, Stark wildly disagrees with what he's doing. they butt heads throughout - somewhere in there Stark becomes head of SHIELD - which causes more issues between him and Cap. I would suspect that nothing about the registration comes forward until the very end

that will leave the registration to play out in a future movie 3-4 years down the road, which would sync up with the dates that Sony is possibly looking at to work out a deal with Marvel in bringing Spidey into the fold (since Sony is apparently doing a soft-reboot with Sinister Six - possibly sans Andrew Garfield - and if it flops, they'll definitely be more willing to lend him out)

I think Avengers 3 will actually be more like a New/Secret Avengers... lots of new players in regards to the roster that we're used to. Cap (v2.0?), Black Widow, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, maybe Hawkeye and maybe Black Panther since a part of Age of Ultron takes place in Wakanda. this takes RDJ and Chris Hemsworth out of the equation as well as Chris Evans if he's already out of the picture and opens up all of those characters to another movie down the line (the assumption has been that Avengers 3 is the last - at this point - scheduled movie for most of these guys).

Civil War plays out through the ending of Cap 3 into Thor 3, IM 4 (it's happening) and spills into Avengers 3, which ends with Thanos showing up after seeing all the turmoil "Earth's Mightiest" have been putting themselves through - perfect opportunity for him to show up and do what he does - but with GotG hot on his heels leading into the Avengers/GotG crossover event.

as for Hulk... there's been speculation for a while now that he's sent off Earth in some sort of spaceship at the end of AoU. assuming that's definitely the case, I'm thinking we get our dosage of Hulk from the GotG movies for a while, he gets his own standalone film again to do Planet Hulk/WWH and then just happens to reappear on earth in the post Avengers 3/GotG 2 movie that is the Avengers/GotG vs. Thanos super event that brings back RDJ (once again as IM), Hemsworth and Evans back for a final(?) hurrah. Hulk shows up just in time to do some smashing. Cap1, IM(1?) and Thor pass the reigns off to Ant-Man, Dr. Strange, Black Panther, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver and whoever else possibly shows up between now and then to be the New Avengers moving forward and the next phase of Marvel movies kicks off... possibly heading in an Inhumans direction.

and hopefully fantastic four is left exactly where they are now... I feel like that's a dead franchise to Marvel... the book has been a dud for most of the past decade and is in need of major revamping... and that won't happen in the movies until it's done in the comics. those characters don't make sense in the MCU right now (or anywhere imo)

[teeray]

my take on everything moving forward...

I doubt RDJ becomes the "villain" in CA3... my guess would be that throughout the movie, while Cap is looking for Fury, Stark wildly disagrees with what he's doing. they butt heads throughout - somewhere in there Stark becomes head of SHIELD - which causes more issues between him and Cap. I would suspect that nothing about the registration comes forward until the very end

that will leave the registration to play out in a future movie 3-4 years down the road, which would sync up with the dates that Sony is possibly looking at to work out a deal with Marvel in bringing Spidey into the fold (since Sony is apparently doing a soft-reboot with Sinister Six - possibly sans Andrew Garfield - and if it flops, they'll definitely be more willing to lend him out)

I think Avengers 3 will actually be more like a New/Secret Avengers... lots of new players in regards to the roster that we're used to. Cap (v2.0?), Black Widow, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, maybe Hawkeye and maybe Black Panther since a part of Age of Ultron takes place in Wakanda. this takes RDJ and Chris Hemsworth out of the equation as well as Chris Evans if he's already out of the picture and opens up all of those characters to another movie down the line (the assumption has been that Avengers 3 is the last - at this point - scheduled movie for most of these guys).

Civil War plays out through the ending of Cap 3 into Thor 3, IM 4 (it's happening) and spills into Avengers 3, which ends with Thanos showing up after seeing all the turmoil "Earth's Mightiest" have been putting themselves through - perfect opportunity for him to show up and do what he does - but with GotG hot on his heels leading into the Avengers/GotG crossover event.

as for Hulk... there's been speculation for a while now that he's sent off Earth in some sort of spaceship at the end of AoU. assuming that's definitely the case, I'm thinking we get our dosage of Hulk from the GotG movies for a while, he gets his own standalone film again to do Planet Hulk/WWH and then just happens to reappear on earth in the post Avengers 3/GotG 2 movie that is the Avengers/GotG vs. Thanos super event that brings back RDJ (once again as IM), Hemsworth and Evans back for a final(?) hurrah. Hulk shows up just in time to do some smashing. Cap1, IM(1?) and Thor pass the reigns off to Ant-Man, Dr. Strange, Black Panther, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver and whoever else possibly shows up between now and then to be the New Avengers moving forward and the next phase of Marvel movies kicks off... possibly heading in an Inhumans direction.

and hopefully fantastic four is left exactly where they are now... I feel like that's a dead franchise to Marvel... the book has been a dud for most of the past decade and is in need of major revamping... and that won't happen in the movies until it's done in the comics. those characters don't make sense in the MCU right now (or anywhere imo)

That makes a lot of sense.

There is a thread in Nerdvana about this and I said I didn't think the studios would have the balls to do Civil War (at least how the comics did it), and your ideas keep certain good (and profitable) guys from becoming bad.

But i did hear the same rumor about end of AoU aND the Hulk, and the speculation was that Civil War happens in Captain America, Hulk gets standalone Planet Hulk, which would lead to Avengers 3: World War Hulk

[Crixtala]

That makes a lot if sense.

There is a thread in Nerdvana about this and I said I didn't think the studios would have the balls to do Civil War (at least how the comics did it), and your ideas keep certain good (and profitable) guys from becoming bad.

But i did hear the same rumor about end of AoU aND the Hulk, and the speculation was that Civil War happens in Captain America, Hulk gets standalone Planet Hulk, which would lead to Avengers 3: World War Hulk

my only issue with the Hulk stuff is that I don't see WWH having enough range to warrant it taking up any time in Avengers 3. I think for the MCU, they'll tweak the story and Hulk is sent off by the villains instead of the Illuminati (or whatever version of the Illuminati could possibly be created in the MCU). instead, I think Hulk will get sent off by Ultron or Thanos (as a preemptive strike to get him out of the picture) which will allow for Planet Hulk to play out in a standalone Hulk film, but most of WWH could be left untouched since he wasn't sent out by the "good guys"

there's no Prof X in the MCU for Hulk to deal with, no Reed Richards... so for everything to play out, it would all have to lie on Stark's shoulders and I don't see that happening. just too many things to juggle and this way, Hulk can have a triumphant return later - maybe even aboard GotG's ship

[Hugor Hill]

and hopefully fantastic four is left exactly where they are now... I feel like that's a dead franchise to Marvel... the book has been a dud for most of the past decade and is in need of major revamping... and that won't happen in the movies until it's done in the comics. those characters don't make sense in the MCU right now (or anywhere imo)

 

All of that is great stuff, sounds like a few interesting years are coming up for Marvel Movies. I also heard that Marvel comics is canceling the Fantastic Four from its comic book lineup. Who knows what the means for that movie franchise?

 

[Crixtala]

All of that is great stuff, sounds like a few interesting years are coming up for Marvel Movies. I also heard that Marvel comics is canceling the Fantastic Four from its comic book lineup. Who knows what the means for that movie franchise?

F4, Spider-Man and all of the X-Titles have all been cancelled, rebooted and restarted so many times over the past decade that the conspiracy theorist in me thinks Marvel is trying to sabotage Fox and Sony. none of those titles have had great runs(I know, debatable...) but in the grand scheme of things comics-wise, they've been bottom rung for a while now, and I think Marvel is trying to pair that with the mediocre success those movie franchises have had lately to make it look like those aren't incredibly profitable. with the hope being that Fox will drop or trade the rights and squeeze Sony into working with them (which they already do as far as release dates go).

meanwhile, Marvel has been setting up the plot details of the MCU for years now... the majority of their stories are coming straight from big time events that have happened in the comics over the past 10 years. stories that have been wildly profitable and have moved away HEAVILY from F4 and have leaned away from Spidey and the X-Men (except for Wolverine, but he's a comics cashcow and has become more of an Avenger than X-Man over the years).

it's not a big surprise that a new Avengers roster is being launched, soon there will be a third person to wield Cap's shield (all within the last few years) and a new Thor is being introduced. these are all seeds for future MCU films and gives them new, possible storylines to run with

[CCS]

The problem is that Marvel doesn't currently have enough characters to make a Civil War movie as big as it should be. In the comics they had Iron Man, Captain America, Spider-Man, The Fantastic Four, The X-Men, and a ton of minor characters. At the heart of the story it's a Captain America vs Iron Man feud though so I guess this move sort of makes sense. There's also the fact that 90% of comic fans hated civil war and they had to retcon most of it. Characters were doing things that were extremely out of character for them, the wrong side won the war, and it pretty much left everyone with a bad taste in their mouth.

 

 

 

I don't see how they're going to characterize Tony in this either since in the comics story line he's basically a straight up prick but in the movies he's everyones favorite character and they're likely not going to take well to him being a jackass.

[Crixtala]

The problem is that Marvel doesn't currently have enough characters to make a Civil War movie as big as it should be. In the comics they had Iron Man, Captain America, Spider-Man, The Fantastic Four, The X-Men, and a ton of minor characters. At the heart of the story it's a Captain America vs Iron Man feud though so I guess this move sort of makes sense. There's also the fact that 90% of comic fans hated civil war and they had to retcon most of it. Characters were doing things that were extremely out of character for them, the wrong side won the war, and it pretty much left everyone with a bad taste in their mouth.

 

 

 

I don't see how they're going to characterize Tony in this either since in the comics story line he's basically a straight up prick but in the movies he's everyones favorite character and they're likely not going to take well to him being a jackass.

I think Stark is going to come out of Age of Ultron looking badly. he's the creator of Ultron in the MCU and there's going to be a lot to clean up after the fact. in Cap 3, he'll have decided that SHIELD is what's necessary for protecting Earth, but that since Fury's gone, he needs to be the one that brings everything back together, pitting him against Cap who thinks Fury needs to come back

I also see Stark getting some of Osborn's nutjob story pieces built into his story to really sour fans against Tony

as for the lack of characters, I think this story will do just like the Hydra/SHIELD story did... it's going to cross many platforms. we'll see some of the story play out on Agents of SHIELD and see how the Civil War effects the lower level superheroes in the Netflix shows as well. by the time everything's wrapped up, we'll have Mockingbird, Daredevil (maybe even Iron First and/or Luke Cage) as well as the new characters being added now - Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, Vision, Ant-Man, Dr. Strange, etc. I think there will be enough characters to go around to give different view points while not over saturating the films with characters.

[Crixtala]

also, this...

According to BD, Captain America 3 (which may be subtitled Civil War or Fallen Son) will also include War Machine, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch and The Vision in addition to the returns of Falcon and Black Widow. Just like Captain America: The Winter Soldier served as a mini-Avengers team-up of sorts, its sequel will very much be an Avengers-like event that we know will have a major impact on the Marvel Cinematic Universe. That plays nicely with our previous theories about Cap 3 being a Secret Avengers movie of sorts and we wouldn’t be surprised to see Marvel TV characters like Mockingbird (played by Adrianne Palicki in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.) appear either.

BD did not however, list Hawkeye. Mark Ruffalo’s Bruce Banner also wasn’t namedropped, adding some credence to rumors that The Avengers: Age of Ultron may see the Hulk shot into space, potentially leading to some semblance of a Planet Hulk story arc. Captain America 3 Begins Shooting in April in Atlanta so it won’t be long before we start getting official casting news from Marvel and Disney. The same can be said for Doctor Strange which also begins production next year for Marvel’s other 2016 release date.

http://screenrant.com/captain-america-3-characters-avengers-roster/

[CarolinaNCSU]

I'm all for the Hulk stand alone movie...

 

 

But will the casual movie goer be? I mean, Mark Ruffalo doesn't sell tickets, throw in a Hulk story line that only comic fans know of,  and is that going to make a ton of money? I don't know. In ways, the same can kind of be said for Guardians...but it had bigger names than Ruffalo. 

[PandaPancake]

The problem is that Marvel doesn't currently have enough characters to make a Civil War movie as big as it should be. In the comics they had Iron Man, Captain America, Spider-Man, The Fantastic Four, The X-Men, and a ton of minor characters. At the heart of the story it's a Captain America vs Iron Man feud though so I guess this move sort of makes sense. There's also the fact that 90% of comic fans hated civil war and they had to retcon most of it. Characters were doing things that were extremely out of character for them, the wrong side won the war, and it pretty much left everyone with a bad taste in their mouth.

I don't see how they're going to characterize Tony in this either since in the comics story line he's basically a straight up prick but in the movies he's everyones favorite character and they're likely not going to take well to him being a jackass.

Your opinion doesn't count if you think the X-Men were fighting in Civil War

[Crixtala]

I'm all for the Hulk stand alone movie...

 

 

But will the casual movie goer be? I mean, Mark Ruffalo doesn't sell tickets, throw in a Hulk story line that only comic fans know of,  and is that going to make a ton of money? I don't know. In ways, the same can kind of be said for Guardians...but it had bigger names than Ruffalo.

i would imagine that the movie would have to have some kind of crossover potential with GotG or some of the earth-bound characters somehow. but, post-Avengers, Hulk is the one character that's come across surprisingly well. fans enjoy the character, comic-readers and non-comic-readers alike

personally, I think it would just be like the two that have already come out... decent numbers, nothing earth shattering and leaving Marvel wondering if it's worth making another. but, while all of that is happening, Marvel's still raking in cash on all of the other movies, fanboys get the movie they're dying for and Mark Ruffalo gets to feel like he's worthy of a staring role, which will probably do wonders for convincing him to extend his contract

OR...

what if Thanos finds Hulk on Sakaar a crazed lunatic, destroys Sakaar but saves Hulk and HE'S the one that brings him back to earth.

plenty of options when you're willing to tweak the source material to work for the big-screen

[Mr. Scot]

Was 'Civil War' related to the Mongolian Cluster $@#% of Spider Man's deal with the devil or did that come separate?

[Crixtala]

Was 'Civil War' related to the Mongolian Cluster $@#% of Spider Man's deal with the devil or did that come separate?

that was the post-Civil War retcon that removed the reveal of his true identity at the cost of any/all previous relationships/marriage with MJ