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The Tolbert Effect


KillaCamNewton

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Going back to the beginning of last season, our record with Tolbert on the field is 14-2

Without him? 1-6-1

Coincidence or contribution?

I think his value to the team is one of the most underrated aspects of the team. Blocking, catching out of the backfield, goaline TDs and getting first downs on 3rd and short. 

Something to consider as he approaches free agency this offseason

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Coincidence ... Tobert does NOT block .. not once have I seen him lay out a linebacker or make room for Stew behind him .. He may have his occasional catch here or 2 yard run there but its all shade IMO.  Ward would/should have taken his spot on the roster but for some reason the dancing bear is still dancing

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2 hours ago, KillaCamNewton said:

Going back to the beginning of last season, our record with Tolbert on the field is 14-2

Without him? 1-6-1

Coincidence or contribution?

I think his value to the team is one of the most underrated aspects of the team. Blocking, catching out of the backfield, goaline TDs and getting first downs on 3rd and short. 

Something to consider as he approaches free agency this offseason

I think we just need a younger power RB. Another Stewart.

Tolbert plays around 30% of the snaps a given week.   He is a nice ultility HB but we just need youth there.  Can't ask him to hold up at his age being that 

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3 hours ago, CRA said:

I think we just need a younger power RB. Another Stewart.

Tolbert plays around 30% of the snaps a given week.   He is a nice ultility HB but we just need youth there.  Can't ask him to hold up at his age being that 

We will eventually, next year or the year after.  But Tolbert is ok for the role he is playing right now.  He doesn't have that much mileage on him for a back his age. 

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