Let's get it out of the way---It's a Derrick Henry poll

[Catufb85]

First off I will say I trust in Gettleman and whoever he speaks I'll be partying with excitement.  Secondly, I like Derrick Henry. I get goosebumps thinking about lining up on offense with Cam, Henry, Olsen, KB, and Funchess.  This will absolutely be one of the biggest core of Skill positions on offense collectively that I can recall.  We are a downhill style of offense and we want to ground and pound you into the ground with our running game. You can't argue that when we switch to the gun or pistol and run the read option that LBs have to be concerned with Henry running full speed at them with the chance of Cam pulling it and taking off to the side.  Our passing game is predicated off of the run and our big plays are off Play Action.  Most NFL teams in this era have a power back and a "scat" back to supplement.  I clearly think that at 30 it is going to really be determining who is there and who is off the board.  I truly believe in Gettleman and will be happy with whomever he chooses, he has earned that trust with me and majority of the fanbase.  Also, when we line up in that goal line package and use to Cam sacrificing his body for that 1-2 yards, Henry can take the pressure off of that now.  More Pros than Cons IMO.

My personal favorites in order for 1st round: WR Coleman, DE Dodd, TE Henry, RB Henry, DT Butler SS Cravens (assuming they are there)

 

[SOJA]

I kind of hope he gets drafted right before us so this debate can rage on into the night.....jk jk 

I wouldn't take him in the first, reasons:

 if he didn't go to Alabama and didn't run behind that line people wouldn't be NEARLY as high on him

He's the exception to the rule that RBs are not usually that big

 

I'm not saying he won't be good, I'm just saying I wouldn't risk a first on him 

[pantherclaw]

If Hunter Henry isn't available, i believe the pick goes defensive. 

[Goondal]

This would be the one thing that they could do at this point that would royally piss me off, especially if I stay up that damn late to watch it and then have to be at work at 630am

[top dawg]

3 hours ago, Rags said:

This is a serious question, not trying to start poo, or anything like that. I'd like some real answers

For those.completely on the Henry bandwagon, what is it you like about h? His measurables? Because I see a lot of people saying he's going to give defensive coordinators fits ajf be a nightmare with Can, etc. 

But...he's not at all a power back. Think less Frank Gore and more Jamal Charles...just not as fast and no where near as agile. His strength lies in his amazing acceleration, which you'll notice if you ever watch him ever. He can pick up speed like a Porsche and its amazing to watch. If there's a hole he'll hit it and it's a good chunk of yards.

But he's honestly not much of a bulldozer. He can't make people miss with jukes or cuts. He's not gonna shed any tackles from people who know how to wrap up well and have good angles. And yeah, he's not gonna dance around but that's because his agility is nonexistnt. He's gotta have a good hole when he takes his first two steps because if not, it's a wrap.

 

I think he's gonna be boom or bust. He's a guy that has to go to the right team and the right scheme. And to be completely honest, I'm not sure that's us.

Most every scouting report I have read questions Henry's lateral moves (but they don't say they're "nonexistent"), but Henry is the epitome of a powerful runner. Sixty percent of his yards were after contact. And your notion that he always needs huge holes is just not true, even when he runs between the tackles. Sure he probably is not going to get away if the defense quickly pushes into the backfield, but that can be said of most backs. 

 

It just amazes me that so many people think that our line sucks to the point where a powerful back like Henry is going to be shut down at the line with regularity. Henry isn't flashy, but he is normally good for a few yards on each play, plus give him just a little daylight to get that head of steam up, and he will break off a long one on occasion---be it around the edge or between the tackles.

Sixty percent of yards after contact (a 3.4 yd average on contact). That is power, and good enough for seventh in the nation in that category according to PFF.

 

 

 

[davos]

9 hours ago, rodeo said:

Do I actively want him and would I be cool with him are different questions. This asked if I'd be cool with him, and I would if DG is. But he wouldn't be my first choice depending on who is on the board.

Thank you for understanding my logic.  I'm not asking "do you want him" because there's countless scenarios.  It's more of a "Will you be a content fan/pleased if he ends up our pick at 30?" type dealio

[Cpt slay a ho]

No, and it's simple teams stacked the box majority of the time, if he's not a guy who's a threat to take it to the house every time he touches the ball then he is not worth a first round pick. Would be highly disappointed if he's the pick, would rather go defensive in the first if the value is there, hopefully a good de prospect is sitting there at 30

[top dawg]

4 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

No, and it's simple teams stacked the box majority of the time, if he's not a guy who's a threat to take it to the house every time he touches the ball then he is not worth a first round pick. Would be highly disappointed if he's the pick, would rather go defensive in the first if the value is there, hopefully a good de prospect is sitting there at 30

So, basically what you're saying is that you fear teams will stack the box and nullify Henry's ability to be a threat to take it to the house every single time? Or is what you're saying is that Henry is not worth it because he is not a home run threat every time that he touches the ball?

I don't feel like there is realistically any back that is an actual threat to take it to the house every time they touch the ball. If you look at that notion versus the reality---the stats, the percentages---backs just don't walk into the end zone with regularity.

For running backs, It's a game of opportunity and touches. The more you get, the more you're likely to wear defenses down and break a few for big chunks. But you're generally not doing it by yourself (unless maybe you're AP), it's a team of many moving parts that have to do their job to allow you to be most effective, from the receivers to the linemen. 

With the genesis that our team had last year with arguably backup level talent at the receiving positions, so you actually think that teams will consistently stack the box once they find out that the calvary has come in the form of KB, Funch, possibly Stephen Hill, another legit pass-catching TE and/it legit receiving threat in the form of a fresh-legged, play-making rookie in the slot?

All these factors along with our beast of a QB would make it extremely difficult for defenses to stack the box against our running backs and expect success on a consistent basis.

 

[Cpt slay a ho]

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

So, basically what you're saying is that you fear teams will stack the box and nullify Henry's ability to be a threat to take it to the house every single time? Or is what you're saying is that Henry is not worth it because he is not a home run threat every time that he touches the ball?

I don't feel like there is realistically any back that is an actual threat to take it to the house every time they touch the ball. If you look at that notion versus the reality---the stats, the percentages---backs just don't walk into the end zone with regularity.

For running backs, It's a game of opportunity and touches. The more you get, the more you're likely to wear defenses down and break a few for big chunks. But you're generally not doing it by yourself (unless maybe you're AP), it's a team of many moving parts that have to do their job to allow you to be most effective, from the receivers to the linemen. 

With the genesis that our team had last year with arguably backup level talent at the receiving positions, so you actually think that teams will consistently stack the box once they find out that the calvary has come in the form of KB, Funch, possibly Stephen Hill, another legit pass-catching TE and/it legit receiving threat in the form of a fresh-legged, play-making rookie in the slot?

All these factors along with our beast of a QB would make it extremely difficult for defenses to stack the box against our running backs and expect success on a consistent basis.

 

Sorta of but I'm saying teams stacked the box against us majority of the time last year and have been doing so for years now, even with cam lighting up there secondary teams still essentially "stacked the box and double Olsen", we have good guards but majority of the season Stewart was still getting hit in the backfield constantly, and yes is Henry a home run back ? I'm talking about Ap,Gurley, Jamal Charles status, guys who'll make a overagressive defense pay if they reach the second level. This is just one of the main reason not to mention we still have fozzy, Payne, and the Undrafted guy. We saw what a two back system with d will and stew here does, it's a luxury, both rb didn't get enough touches to get going unless one got injured.teams are still going to stack the box vs is like they have been the past 3 years even when kb gets back IMO, especially to test that acl out in press coverage. At our pick I think there'll be too

much value on the defensive side to pick Henry, maybe even more value on offense at the TE,WR position to.

[top dawg]

42 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Sorta of but I'm saying teams stacked the box against us majority of the time last year and have been doing so for years now, even with cam lighting up there secondary teams still essentially "stacked the box and double Olsen", we have good guards but majority of the season Stewart was still getting hit in the backfield constantly, and yes is Henry a home run back ? I'm talking about Ap,Gurley, Jamal Charles status, guys who'll make a overagressive defense pay if they reach the second level. This is just one of the main reason not to mention we still have fozzy, Payne, and the Undrafted guy. We saw what a two back system with d will and stew here does, it's a luxury, both rb didn't get enough touches to get going unless one got injured.teams are still going to stack the box vs is like they have been the past 3 years even when kb gets back IMO, especially to test that acl out in press coverage. At our pick I think there'll be too

much value on the defensive side to pick Henry, maybe even more value on offense at the TE,WR position to.

Well, maybe you're right, but I just don't see all of these sure-fire defensive guys falling to us, and the one's that will, have character concerns and may not even be on our board at all. Don't get me wrong, I believe that there will be guys that may make an impact, just not right away. Indeed, Ogbah and Butler would probably even need a year or two to get their wings. 

As for offense, just about every mock/ranking that I have looked at has Henry above the receivers and TEs (basically HH) that would be available to us. I don't think that's a coincidence. I just believe that most of the scouts/analysts think that Henry will be that good, especially given the right situation.

I would like to get Hunter Henry, Sterling Shepard or Josh Doctson for example, but there are others like Pharoh Cooper, Hunter Sharp, Austin Hooper or Jerell Adams who we may be able to bag later and get a similar effect at some point. The thing is that Derrick Henry is ranked higher (and probably rightly so) than not only the Pharoh Coopers of the draft, but other running backs like Prosise and Booker. These scouts could be wrong, but if Getty pulls the trigger on Henry, I got to think that they must be right.