Josh's response to the AP

[DelhommesTheMan]

You don't jettison your best CB in a year where you are legit Super Bowl favorites.  Especially when that money will now go unspent anyway, and we are not going to replace him with anyone remotely close in talent.  Love Getts, but this move is absolutely baffling, I hope he has something better in mind.  I don't want to hear this BS about signing Star and KK now, that could have been done regardless..While he has not let us down with his shrewed moves yet, this will blow up in Getts face unless we bring in some CB talent ASAP 

[Seltzer]

I will miss Josh. No doubt about it. Don't blame either side. Just wish it could have worked out. The SB notwithstanding, it was truly a magical season. They don't happen very often. JNo will always be a part of the 2015 Magic. 

[OneBadCat]

I'm pretty skeptical of this move. Norman is the type you can't really let walk away. He made so many plays that contributed to wins. The only plus to this is that we have an extra 13 million or so to spend now. So we better make this team better than it was a few hours ago.

[TylerDurden]

The problem is, while everyone is celebrating GMan swanging dick, and "playing his agent," he also just publicly played Josh.  That is why Josh is so hurt and shocked.   Sure, you're believing this will "humble" him and he'll come back on a sweetheart deal.  But, he was arguably the best CB in football last year and we just humilited him in front of the world...  my guess is he is insulted and wants to prove his worth, and he will NOT give us another chance for embarrassing him like this.

I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see him coming back.

[JawnyBlaze]

1 minute ago, Proudiddy said:

The problem is, why everyone is celebrating GMan swanging dick, and "playing his agent," he also just publicly played Josh.  That is why Josh is so hurt and shocked.   Sure, you're believing this will "humble" him and he'll come back on a sweetheart deal.  But, he was arguably the best CB in football last year and we just humilited him in front of the world...  my guess is he is insulted and wants to prove his worth, and he will NOT give us another chance for embarrassing him like this.

I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see him coming back.

I certainly hope you're wrong.  But I can definitely see it as a possibility.

[TheRed]

I can only find one other instance of a franchise tag being rescinded in the last 9 years, and that was back in 2009 with Seattle.

Perplexing situation all around.

[JawnyBlaze]

7 minutes ago, carolina-chuck2 said:

DG said, hey Josh I'm willing to pay you 14 mil to play one season. We'll try to work a long term. If not, you can test the market again next year and pretty much still be the top corner in the market. 

 

What else do you want? Norman wanted to be greedy. 

DG is not going to pay Norman more money than LUKE. You gotta be stupid. Josh embarrassed himself. 

Norman isn't greedy.  If anything he's prideful.  Positional value says he's worth more than Luke.

[LUUUUUKE]

2 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

The problem is, why everyone is celebrating GMan swanging dick, and "playing his agent," he also just publicly played Josh.  That is why Josh is so hurt and shocked.   Sure, you're believing this will "humble" him and he'll come back on a sweetheart deal.  But, he was arguably the best CB in football last year and we just humilited him in front of the world...  my guess is he is insulted and wants to prove his worth, and he will NOT give us another chance for embarrassing him like this.

I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see him coming back.

I completely understand that sentiment, but let's not forget that this contract situation started last off season. It's not because of a lack of effort on the org's side. 

Look, brass tax is pride/market value for players. I get that too. What I don't et is why they (org & player) couldn't marry up for the betterment of the overall goal.

Gettleman is now letting him see what his market value is. Josh will realize that he's got a choice for money and non-contention, or slightly less (still living like a rockstar none the less) and stay where he'll be in contention for the foreseeable future. Not to mention the locker room raves that have been made public by the likes of Jared Allen and many others.

Its going to come down to money and non-contention vs familiarity with less money. 

He'd be wise to seek counsel of other players who have repeatedly gone on record after the fact to say it wasn't worth the money. 

Its a sad situation overall for the player, org, and most of all us fans. He's a fan favorite and rightfully so. Do I hope he comes back? Of course! Will he? Probably not. If he doesn't come back, how much will this hurt the team? 

None of us know the answers yet, but let's hope that with or without him, that we can get back to the big game and finish what we left on the field @ SB 50.    

 #KeepPounding

[ickmule]

2 minutes ago, LUUUUUKE said:

I completely understand that sentiment, but let's not forget that this contract situation started last off season. It's not because of a lack of effort on the org's side. 

Look, brass tax is pride/market value for players. I get that too. What I don't et is why they (org & player) couldn't marry up for the betterment of the overall goal.

Gettleman is now letting him see what his market value is. Josh will realize that he's got a choice for money and non-contention, or slightly less (still living like a rockstar none the less) and stay where he'll be in contention for the foreseeable future. Not to mention the locker room raves that have been made public by the likes of Jared Allen and many others.

Its going to come down to money and non-contention vs familiarity with less money. 

He'd be wise to seek counsel of other players who have repeatedly gone on record after the fact to say it wasn't worth the money. 

Its a sad situation overall for the player, org, and most of all us fans. He's a fan favorite and rightfully so. Do I hope he comes back? Of course! Will he? Probably not. If he doesn't come back, how much will this hurt the team? 

None of us know the answers yet, but let's hope that with or without him, that we can get back to the big game and finish what we left on the field @ SB 50.    

 #KeepPounding

Nice post. People can say what they want, dude was being greedy. 11 million a season for 4 seasons. That's a lot of money and if he invested wisely he would never need to work again. I don't feel sorry for him. The more of this Gettleman does the more I love him. 

[ickmule]

2 minutes ago, carolina-chuck2 said:

Sure, he played a position that is worth more than Luke. But tell me honestly as a player does he worth more? Fug no. 

 

what player who would not play 1 year for 14 million is not considered greedy? He's a fool for not taking that. 

On most team his position may pay more.....not on this one. Without Luke this defense will suffer a great deal more than it will without Josh. 

[LUUUUUKE]

5 minutes ago, ickmule said:

Nice post. People can say what they want, dude was being greedy. 11 million a season for 4 seasons. That's a lot of money and if he invested wisely he would never need to work again. I don't feel sorry for him. The more of this Gettleman does the more I love him. 

Of course he was being greedy. Most pro athletes are unfortunately. He feels he's the best CB In the League and historically, before the best CBs in the League got paid, they believed the same thing. He thinks he deserves to be highest paid at his position.

We ALLunderstand that he won't starve for3 mil less a season, but it's not the point. This is historically what players have always done. Every now and then you'll find a Tom Brady or hell, even a Thomas Davis willing to take less to keep the band together. In short you're absolutely correct. Unfortunately for all parties involved it doesn't make the pill any less hard to swallow.

[JawnyBlaze]

2 minutes ago, carolina-chuck2 said:

Sure, he played a position that is worth more than Luke. But tell me honestly as a player does he worth more? Fug no. 

 

what player who would not play 1 year for 14 million is not considered greedy? He's a fool for not taking that. 

your post makes no sense.  He was going to play 1 year for 14 million.  He was only hold off signing his tender for a while, he wasn't going to sit out the gd season.  Don't be stupid.  And positional value is the foundation upon which contracts are built upon.  Do you think Vernon Olivier is a better player than Luke?  He's making a shitton more money than Luke is.  Of course Luke is more important to the defense, but Luke's contract is not what Norman's should be compared to.  Luke's contract is to be compared to other MLBs and Norman's to other CBs.

[TheRed]

Dude nearly had his head taken off out there on the field by Beckham Jr last year. And for what? Nothing, because the guy was mad at him.

You never know when your time is up in this league. But I guess it's just easier for feeble minds to call him "greedy" than to actually attempt to comprehend deep intellectual thought that goes beyond the neanderthal fan mindset of "ME GET DRUNK, YOU PLAY FOOTBALL NOW!".

[TylerDurden]

6 minutes ago, LUUUUUKE said:

I completely understand that sentiment, but let's not forget that this contract situation started last off season. It's not because of a lack of effort on the org's side. 

Look, brass tax is pride/market value for players. I get that too. What I don't et is why they (org & player) couldn't marry up for the betterment of the overall goal.

Gettleman is now letting him see what his market value is. Josh will realize that he's got a choice for money and non-contention, or slightly less (still living like a rockstar none the less) and stay where he'll be in contention for the foreseeable future. Not to mention the locker room raves that have been made public by the likes of Jared Allen and many others.

Its going to come down to money and non-contention vs familiarity with less money. 

He'd be wise to seek counsel of other players who have repeatedly gone on record after the fact to say it wasn't worth the money. 

Its a sad situation overall for the player, org, and most of all us fans. He's a fan favorite and rightfully so. Do I hope he comes back? Of course! Will he? Probably not. If he doesn't come back, how much will this hurt the team? 

None of us know the answers yet, but let's hope that with or without him, that we can get back to the big game and finish what we left on the field @ SB 50.    

 #KeepPounding

Great post man, and i agree with pretty much everything, but i wanted to touch on one very big point...  you mentioned the contract situation started last offseason, and that's key.  Sure, we did engage in discussions then, but Josh bet on himself and he won - and so did we as a result.  He played his heart out and his ass off and helped us reach the Superbowl.  So, as far as his contract situation, his bet paid off and he shoukd reap the rewards.

I'm not saying he should be the highest paid corner in the game, but i think top 7 would be fair.  And he has earned it.  That's not being greedy, imo.  

And GMan's move here is just ridiculous and is, much like the situation with Smitty, all about pride.  I say this because the other big point that should be focused on here was that the tag we placed on Josh was non-exclusive, so he was already able to negotiate with other teams.  This wasn't about allowing him to now go explore other offers...  we removed any and all leverage we had in neogtiations simply so GMan could say, "you're not worth it, f*** you."  Just seems very petty and unprofessional.