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Panthers History with 4th Rounders

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Any draft pick is a crapshoot.  And the later in the draft the pick occurs, the odds of the pick not lasting increase.  Of course, the risk decreases. 

 

My only concern is the guys age.  If he punts well for us for 4 plus years, then its a great move.  If he doesn't, well, I hope we get at least a couple of years of service out of him. 

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1 hour ago, GoobyPls said:

Would you consider Lee in those handful? Cause statically he's pretty much middle of the road in all regards.

 

Fact is outside of Lechler in the mid 2000 their hasn't been a consistent dominant punter. Every year theirs a new punter leading in net, average or inside the 20.

If you look at his stats, his average punt length over the last three years has only dropped slightly, but he was still in the top 10 last year if memory serves.  But his net average has dropped over the last three years, although its still better than what we had before.  How much of that is because of spending the last two years on bad teams, or a drop because of age.  Hopefully, its the former. 

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15 hours ago, OriginalPantherDan said:

Ah yes, the Wreck of the Edmund Kugbila. I remember thinking we found a gem here, but he was nothing but a colossal bust. 

Not so sure a guy who never could get healthy enough to play could fairly be called a "bust".

More like a never-was.

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7 hours ago, Davidson Deac II said:

If you look at his stats, his average punt length over the last three years has only dropped slightly, but he was still in the top 10 last year if memory serves.  But his net average has dropped over the last three years, although its still better than what we had before.  How much of that is because of spending the last two years on bad teams, or a drop because of age.  Hopefully, its the former. 

Over the last two years he's pretty much been floating around 15-17 in all major punting stats.

 

Being on a bad team for a punter doesn't really matter, like I mentioned above Shane Lechler the best punter of our gen was on the horrible raiders all those years.

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2 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Over the last two years he's pretty much been floating around 15-17 in all major punting stats.

 

Being on a bad team for a punter doesn't really matter, like I mentioned above Shane Lechler the best punter of our gen was on the horrible raiders all those years.

His punting average was top 10 in the league.  But his net was middle of the league, in large part because Cleveland gave up a lot of punt return yards. So did they give up a lot of  yards because he outkicked his coverage, or because they were just bad at covering punts.  Hopefully, its the latter, but we will see. 

 

Don't agree that it doesn't matter if  one is on a bad team.  While Lechler may have been the best, he may be an exception, and not the standard.  Of course, it could be argued that if a punter is on a team that spends a lot of time on its on side of the field, his average will be higher because he doesn't have to worry about pinning inside the 20, so it could work both ways. 

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9 hours ago, Davidson Deac II said:

His punting average was top 10 in the league.  But his net was middle of the league, in large part because Cleveland gave up a lot of punt return yards. So did they give up a lot of  yards because he outkicked his coverage, or because they were just bad at covering punts.  Hopefully, its the latter, but we will see. 

 

Don't agree that it doesn't matter if  one is on a bad team.  While Lechler may have been the best, he may be an exception, and not the standard.  Of course, it could be argued that if a punter is on a team that spends a lot of time on its on side of the field, his average will be higher because he doesn't have to worry about pinning inside the 20, so it could work both ways. 

Average and net go and in hand, if punter angles the punt wrong it can leave the punt team in a bad situation. You can also take into account how much hang time he puts on the ball.

 

He was 10th in average, 15th in net, 18th in punts inside the 20. Middle of the road

 

The top 3 punters from last year all played sub .500 teams, so yeah. Being on a bad teams makes absolutely no difference to a punter.

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