I don't understand why people keep focusing on our offense

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

What a totally stupid post. Fact. This offense is on track to be the second highest scoring offense we have had in our franchise history behind only last year which was our highest scoring offense in our history.  Shula has been OC for both. He is clearly the coordinator  of the best offense we have ever had and taught Cam everything he knows about a professional NFL offense. He was smart enough to see Cams potential and build the whole offense around him. Without Shula Cam would have never progressed as fast as he did. Most pundits felt Cam would need a lot of work to even be a starter in this league and by building the offense around what Cam already excelled at doing, it shortened the.learning curve substantially. He is optimizing Cam so he can be the best quarterback in our franchise history despite receivers which were often marginal, a running back who can't stay healthy, and tackles that wouldn't even be on other teams rosters.

We have played 4 out of the 6 worst scoring defenses this year, and we're one of the 6. We combined for 30 points against the other 2. We should be one of the top ranked offenses right now because we are playing some of the worst defenses in the NFL.

Shula built this offense with Cam as it's focal point. And as a result, Cam is taking a beating. His body isn't going to hold up to that beating forever and that will be a waste of his talent. Most RBs are done at 30 because of the beating they take. Shula designs plays for him to take that beating. He put the entire offense on Cam's shoulders and it's starting to show. There are lots of OCs in this league. I'm sure Shula isn't the only one capable of shortening his learning curve.

[CPantherKing]

People focus on the offense to excuse the defense as the main culprit to this failure.

Excusing the defense means they can accept the moves with the secondary as a typical move by an NFL team.

By stating the moves in the secondary are typical and necessary, they have to look for someone or something that should be responsible for covering up the problems that secondary creates.

By deflecting the blame and accountability away from the secondary, people can avoid acknowledging who is responsible for putting that secondary on the field.

CEOs get fired for stunts like this in business that tank an entire quarter never mind an entire year due to a gamble.

It has now been stated by Rivera that the secondary EXPERIMENT was a gamble the front office thought was worth taking to save money. This was not a gamble, this was career suicide.

No one does this with a team competing at the highest level. Teams who are rebuilding do this and hope it works out knowing they have 2 to 3 years to develop the young talent. It worked for the 49ers in 1981, but they were rebuilding and had no identity. You did not see the 49ers do this following their SB or any of their other SBs.

[csx]

These people have an agenda.

[stankowalski]

3 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

People focus on the offense to excuse the defense as the main culprit to this failure.

 

Yeah and it gets really old.  I find it sad that I'm actually one of the few that steps up to defend Shula.  Is he an offensive genius?  Not really, but he's done a great job with Cam and this entire offense IMO.  People tend to think we have round 1 talent at every position when in reality we have Cam, Olsen, Stewart (when he's healthy), and maybe Benji (only say maybe because he's young and missed an entire year but it's obvious to me he's our best receiver.).  O-line issues, sub par WR's (either because of lack of talent or just plain experience), frailty in the RB dept., penalties, turnovers...etc...these are hampering us big time offensively and we're still comfortably in the top 10 in most offensive categories.  

And as for Cam, let's be honest.  He's not real accurate and he sometimes doesn't even notice wide open receivers.  Whether that is from WANTING to focus a particular receiver/route, or just a lack of ability to move through progressions is up to you.  Personally I think he likes to focus on a particular receiver/route from pre-snap and has a hard time moving away from that and by the time he does it's too late.  One way to offset his deficiencies is to use the read option as it keeps the defense a little more honest.  His ability to run, whether he chooses to or not, has to be respected.  You take that away and you're going to see even more problems in his passing game.

[Kakarot]

These people want to be able to blame Shula or Cam for our woes. Also, with Captain America and TD on the defensive side of the team, and both well liked and respected, they don't want to admit that it's their defense fuggin it up. As for Shula, I've never been a big fan, but his seat should be room temperature. Gettleman, McDermott, and Rivera should have seats that are scorching.

[CPantherKing]

49 minutes ago, Kakarot said:

These people want to be able to blame Shula or Cam for our woes. Also, with Captain America and TD on the defensive side of the team, and both well liked and respected, they don't want to admit that it's their defense fuggin it up. As for Shula, I've never been a big fan, but his seat should be room temperature. Gettleman, McDermott, and Rivera should have seats that are scorching.

The Panthers have the best front 5 in football, and other teams know it. They know it is so risky to challenge the defense shallow over the middle or try to run through it that they will run a few plays at the them to keep them honest, but they will attack the flats, the sidelines, and the ever popular this season 3 step drop and launch deep away from the FS.

It is pathetic how easy it is to run max pro against the Panthers defense with 2 receivers going out and still get the ball off in less than 3 seconds. The CBs have no sense of the offense and a lack of communication with their safeties. They should be looking at the QB with the WR in front of them and driving on the ball as soon as it is in the air knowing the safety is over top and the LB is underneath. Instead, they are usually turned around facing away from the QB and running deep downfield afraid to get beat. This is where Norman and TIllman are missed.

Then Rivera coaches games as if the DBs are capable. He should know better than to play to his defense to win the game with that secondary for the next 2 to 3 seasons. Giving up 4th quarter leads is unacceptable at the NFL level for any defense.

Honestly, I believe this entire draft from Butler to Sanchez will not see the end of their rookie contracts. They do not have what it takes to play at the highest level in the NFL. Meanwhile, the front office and coaching staff are working the rest of the team around rookies to protect them when the rookies should be the ones that are working around the vets.

I am positive there is a lot of resentment in the locker room to the product those rookies are putting out on the field come game day; resentment to the coaches for protecting the rookies from themselves.

[panthers55]

8 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

We have played 4 out of the 6 worst scoring defenses this year, and we're one of the 6. We combined for 30 points against the other 2. We should be one of the top ranked offenses right now because we are playing some of the worst defenses in the NFL.

Shula built this offense with Cam as it's focal point. And as a result, Cam is taking a beating. His body isn't going to hold up to that beating forever and that will be a waste of his talent. Most RBs are done at 30 because of the beating they take. Shula designs plays for him to take that beating. He put the entire offense on Cam's shoulders and it's starting to show. There are lots of OCs in this league. I'm sure Shula isn't the only one capable of shortening his learning curve.

We played 2 of the top defenses in the league and at least part part of the reason some  of the other teams defenses are ranked lower is because we scored so many points on them. How do you think you get ranked lower. 

All of this with Stewart out for multiple games and with your starting left tackles out as well.

Other than Denver, much of the beating that Newton takes is at least partially inflicted. He chooses to run the read option and keep it himself. He chooses to stand in the pocket and hold the ball. What kind of beating did Anderson take against Tampa or even Cam against New Orleans? 

Everyone acts as if Cam is a puppet and has no control over what happens when he is getting hit but when we are doing well it is all due to him. That is totally  ontradictory, either he is in control or he isnt. And we all know he is. 

By the way, if we played pretty mediocre offenses in Denver, Tampa and Minnesota, why is our defense ranked so low or doesn't it work both ways?