LOL: Ron on the decision not to go for it on 4th and 1

[Toolbox]

I just want a coach who isn't such a moron with the clock and just stands there and stares at empty space.. please hire someone worth a damn for once.

[pantherphan96]

I will never criticize a coach for being aggressive and going for the win. 4th and 1. Cam freaking Newton at QB. You're telling me the OL can't get enough push for Cam to dive forward for a yard? Please.

You can't afford to be conservative when you are 4-6 and staring up at the other 3 teams in the division. Have to go for it there.

Also, even if it had failed we would have been left with more time on the clock and timeouts on the final drive.

[truthjuice]

8 minutes ago, Toolbox said:

I just want a coach who isn't such a moron with the clock and just stands there and stares at empty space.. please hire someone worth a damn for once.

This gets me! Every time they show Rivera and he's glancing up, I always feel like he's counting stars, sheep or thinking about what Mrs. Rivera made for supper. My son got so mad Sunday and he goes "why is he looking so stupid??" Bad when a kid notices how clueless you look at times. 

[Malt Liquor]

Ron is a pussyboat at winning games . Lol

[gorillamilitia13]

As the head coach he should've used the fact that the Raiders also have the best 4 quarter offense in the league and we had the worst 4th quarter defense in part of his decision making. This poo goes back to letting Tampa win on a last second FG when they were playing for overtime. Tired of it. 

[gorillamilitia13]

5 hours ago, CPF4LIFE said:

It was one freaking yard. Cam can get that with the most shitty line ever assembled. 

Not even a yard. It being 4th down and the game being on the line would've also played a factor in Cam's will, he would not have been stopped. 

[Billy Love]

5 hours ago, panthers55 said:

I guess being decimated on the OL and having virtually no push up the middle when Gradkowski went down had no bearing on the decision. 

Truth is we got the ball back and had a chance to tie the game or win if Olsen catches that pass.

We were moving the ball very well in the 4th quarter...both run and pass. The momentum of the game had clearly switched to the Panthers, Oakland knew it and were playing on their heels. The decision not to go for it halted any momentum we had established, deflated any confidence the offense had created for themselves...and we still fuggin lost the game. When your coach doesn't believe you can gain less than a yard in a KEY moment in a game and for the season...TRUST ME, this was more than a game call, it was a call that I beleive will alter the remainder of the season, it sends a powerfully negative message to the TEAM and FAN BASE.

[Malt Liquor]

14 minutes ago, Billy Love said:

We were moving the ball very well in the 4th quarter...both run and pass. The momentum of the game had clearly switched to the Panthers, Oakland knew it and were playing on their heels. The decision not to go for it halted any momentum we had established, deflated any confidence the offense had created for themselves...and we still fuggin lost the game. When your coach doesn't believe you can gain less than a yard in a KEY moment in a game and for the season...TRUST ME, this was more than a game call, it was a call that I beleive will alter the remainder of the season, it sends a powerfully negative message to the TEAM and FAN BASE.

Good because the fans and hopefully the players could careless about fuggin Coach of The Year awards. If we are not contending and winning titles get him out of here. And I do believe that Ron Rivera needs to go because he can't make the right decisions when the game is on the line. Just walking around the sidelines looking lost with shades on.

[truthjuice]

15 minutes ago, Billy Love said:

We were moving the ball very well in the 4th quarter...both run and pass. The momentum of the game had clearly switched to the Panthers, Oakland knew it and were playing on their heels. The decision not to go for it halted any momentum we had established, deflated any confidence the offense had created for themselves...and we still fuggin lost the game. When your coach doesn't believe you can gain less than a yard in a KEY moment in a game and for the season...TRUST ME, this was more than a game call, it was a call that I beleive will alter the remainder of the season, it sends a powerfully negative message to the TEAM and FAN BASE.

This! If players weren't questioning his faith in them before, they are now. Fans should be as well. I don't care, 4-6 and the season on the line. I have Cam Newton at QB, I'm going for it every time. If I have faith in no one else, it's my franchise freaking star player who has brought me through more times than he hasn't. 

[jfo89]

5 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

Offensive line was fielding back ups of back ups in two positions, two starters playing out of position and Cam hadn't been able to move the ball on the ground all day. Stewart, barring that one great run, had been stuffed all day, Tolbert had continued his futility and Fozzy, well, he just wasn't happening either.

Short, quick throw? Was there any real reason to think that would work when it hadn't all day? Barring the two big miracle TD passes, Cam was having one of his worst passing days ever. 

And, we're sitting there on our own side of the field. Not making the first down would give them incredible field position. Fumbling or throwing another interception would end the game almost immediately. 

Three timeouts, a defense that had come alive and brought the team back into the game, and Carr playing exclusively from the shotgun due to a dislocated finger on his throwing hand. 

Rivera made the logical choice, conservative or not. Had they gone for it and failed, he would have been crucified for that, too. 

So you're saying you would have rather put your faith in a defense that had already given up 32 points than a 6'5 250lb athletic freak to pick up 3 ft?

[Billy Love]

26 minutes ago, truthjuice said:

This! If players weren't questioning his faith in them before, they are now. Fans should be as well. I don't care, 4-6 and the season on the line. I have Cam Newton at QB, I'm going for it every time. If I have faith in no one else, it's my franchise freaking star player who has brought me through more times than he hasn't. 

Ohhhhh I can only imagine what Cam and other offensive players say about Ron and his Piss poor decisions behind closed doors. 

[Billy Love]

34 minutes ago, Malt Liquor said:

Good because the fans and hopefully the players could careless about fuggin Coach of The Year awards. If we are not contending and winning titles get him out of here. And I do believe that Ron Rivera needs to go because he can't make the right decisions when the game is on the line. Just walking around the sidelines looking lost with shades on.

Ron won coach of the year honors as a result of player performance more than coaching excellence.

[panthers55]

54 minutes ago, Billy Love said:

We were moving the ball very well in the 4th quarter...both run and pass. The momentum of the game had clearly switched to the Panthers, Oakland knew it and were playing on their heels. The decision not to go for it halted any momentum we had established, deflated any confidence the offense had created for themselves...and we still fuggin lost the game. When your coach doesn't believe you can gain less than a yard in a KEY moment in a game and for the season...TRUST ME, this was more than a game call, it was a call that I beleive will alter the remainder of the season, it sends a powerfully negative message to the TEAM and FAN BASE.

No we were not moving the ball after Gradkowski went down on the last play of the third quarter. We ran it in the third but not the fourth. And moving it well might be an exagerration. we sputtered and hit some big plays.

The Benjamin touchdown was really the last decent drive and that was a few short completions and a 44 yard toss up to Benjamin who wrestled the ball for the catch. 

We get the ball back at 8:31 and pass it to Ginn for 9, and Stewart for 3 yards. Then a holding penalty and 2 more passes and a punt on 4th and 1. We get it back with 2 minutes left  and Olsen goes for 20 and Funchess for 11 and three incomplete passes and a strip sack fumble. Game over. In the fourth quarter we only attempted 1 run for 3 yards. 

Most any coach doesn't go for a 4th and 1 on your side of the field in a tie game with 5 minutes left. It isn't not believing in your offense so much as playing field position and not giving up an easy score if you don't.make it.

[Billy Love]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

No we were not moving the ball after Gradkowski went down on the last play of the third quarter. We ran it in the third but not the fourth. And moving it well might be an exagerration. we sputtered and hit some big plays.

The Benjamin touchdown was really the last decent drive and that was a few short completions and a 44 yard toss up to Benjamin who wrestled the ball for the catch. 

We get the ball back at 8:31 and pass it to Ginn for 9, and Stewart for 3 yards. Then a holding penalty and 2 more passes and a punt on 4th and 1. We get it back with 2 minutes left  and Olsen goes for 20 and Funchess for 11 and three incomplete passes and a strip sack fumble. Game over. In the fourth quarter we only attempted 1 run for 3 yards. 

Most any coach doesn't go for a 4th and 1 on your side of the field in a tie game with 5 minutes left. It isn't not believing in your offense so much as playing field position and not giving up an easy score if you don't.make it.

Then you should be completely satisfied with your coach...I'm happy for you!