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Offense struggling, let's draft more defense


GoobyPls

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2 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

Plenty people watch game film and they watch it more than once unlike PFF. Also their grading scale makes no sense. BTW grading our O-line should come with a curve we use more max protection than any team in the league. So Oher is constantly getting helped.

 

It funny you use that cap to try and validate your argument when we are playing Cam over 20 mill a year.  Oh if you like cap why not mention we have the CHEAPEST WR corp in the league. And one of the cheapest o-lines in the league.  That went right over your head huh?

We actually have one of the higher priced o-lines in the league, 13th.  Also the WR corps isn't the cheapest, although we are towards the bottom, I think we are 27th.

http://overthecap.com/positional-spending/

In regards to Cam's contract skewing the offensive numbers, a lot of  teams have a high priced QB so that kind of cancels each other out.  To be exact there are 16 QBs that have cap hits within $3.5m of Cams or more then Cam's.

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2 hours ago, AU-panther said:

That is somewhat offset by the fact that our QB holds on to the ball longer then most QBs, some of which is part of our offensive philosophy apparently.  I would think our offensive would be one of the harder ones to block for. 

Do we really live in max protection more then most teams?  I've never seen a stat on it or took the time to watch every team every weekend.

Rodgers, Luck and Big Ben hold the ball just as long if not longer than Cam, yet none of these teams use as much max protection as us. Last year we were bottom 10 in sacks per pass attempts, so this whole thing about Can having great pass protection is a giant myth.

 

Greg Cosell who watches every team tape has said it numerous times on radio.

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7 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

We actually have one of the higher priced o-lines in the league, 13th.  Also the WR corps isn't the cheapest, although we are towards the bottom, I think we are 27th.

http://overthecap.com/positional-spending/

In regards to Cam's contract skewing the offensive numbers, a lot of  teams have a high priced QB so that kind of cancels each other out.  To be exact there are 16 QBs that have cap hits within $3.5m of Cams or more then Cam's.

Uh check your eyesight. We have far and away the cheapest WR core. And the 7th cheapest O-line. So outside Cam, Olsen and Stewart no one on this offense is getting paid.

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2 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Uh check your eyesight. We have far and away the cheapest WR core. And the 7th cheapest O-line. So outside Cam, Olsen and Stewart no one on this offense is getting paid.

You are looking at 2017, might want to look at the 2016 numbers.

 

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4 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

In football terms 2016.

And in year terms were not, and I am talking about this upcoming draft. Let me guess your gonna bring up 2015 and our 15-1 record and point to that as our standard like every other mouth breather in here. The revisionist history is pretty funny 

 

Your agenda isnt isn't working on me. We just lost a game in which our defense gave 10 points and were put in horrible field position all game long. If that doesn't tell we need to go offense with our number 1 I don't know what will. 

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3 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

And in year terms were not, and I am talking about this upcoming draft. Let me guess your gonna bring up 2015 and our 15-1 record and point to that as our standard like every other mouth breather in here. The revisionist history is pretty funny 

 

Your agenda isnt isn't working on me. We just lost a game in which our defense gave 10 points and were put in horrible field position all game long. If that doesn't tell we need to go offense with our number 1 I don't know what will. 

I wasn't even talking about 15-1.  My point was some people are constantly making the argument that the organization doesn't put resources towards the offense, namely to benefit Cam and that just isn't true. 

If you think an offensive pick would benefit the team overall the most that's fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion.  I hope Cam Robinson has a great combine, interview and off season.  I would love for him to be a viable option at 8.  I just find it humorous around here when people overstate things just to go along with their agenda.

Speaking of offense I've been talking about John Ross in some other threads.  I really think we could use a dynamic playmaker, doesn't have to be a #1 receiver type but could be a smaller receiver or back, one that can return punts and kick offs..   Players like Ross, McCaffery, or Curtis Samuel from Ohio State.  Maybe a player like that is there at our second pick.

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6 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

I wasn't even talking about 15-1.  My point was some people are constantly making the argument that the organization doesn't put resources towards the offense, namely to benefit Cam and that just isn't true. 

If you think an offensive pick would benefit the team overall the most that's fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion.  I hope Cam Robinson has a great combine, interview and off season.  I would love for him to be a viable option at 8.  I just find it humorous around here when people overstate things just to go along with their agenda.

Speaking of offense I've been talking about John Ross in some other threads.  I really think we could use a dynamic playmaker, doesn't have to be a #1 receiver type but could be a smaller receiver or back, one that can return punts and kick offs..   Players like Ross, McCaffery, or Curtis Samuel from Ohio State.  Maybe a player like that is there at our second pick.

Name a QB since 2011 that has received less help than Cam, I'll wait.

Matter of fact let me make it easier name a QB since 2012 that has received less help.

LOL good luck on your search 

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