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Mistakes Jerry has made

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I'm hesitant to post a thread like this because, without JR, we would not have a team; but I'm watching the first half of Colts/Cards and they just showed a shot of Bill Polian; I instantly thought, "he should be our GM still."

So, here are some mistakes JR has made.

1. Making Mark president instead of Bill Polian. Polian left and built a really good franchise in Indy. Would Bill Polian have made the Sean Gilbert deal? Would Bill Polian have let Kerry Collins walk out the door? Would Bill Polian have hired George Seifert? No. No. No. For a former journalist, MH is OK but he's no Bill Polian...not even close.

2. Hiring George Seifert. Enough said.

3. Letting Dom Capers then George Seifert take on the GM role.

4. Not recognizing Zod as the most important fan at all games.

5. Not paying enough attention to character, at first. Now paying too much attention to it: young football players are not always going to be saints, especially when you give them a lot of money. Are we looking for saints when we need football players?

Overall, it's hard to fault a guy like JR but I'm watching Polian's team destroy a team that destroyed us in the playoffs. I look forward to general thoughts.

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I'm hesitant to post a thread like this because, without JR, we would not have a team; but I'm watching the first half of Colts/Cards and they just showed a shot of Bill Polian; I instantly thought, "he should be our GM still."

So, here are some mistakes JR has made.

1. Making Mark president instead of Bill Polian. Polian left and built a really good franchise in Indy. Would Bill Polian have made the Sean Gilbert deal? Would Bill Polian have let Kerry Collins walk out the door? Would Bill Polian have hired George Seifert? No. No. No. For a former journalist, MH is OK but he's no Bill Polian...not even close.

2. Hiring George Seifert. Enough said.

3. Letting Dom Capers then George Seifert take on the GM role.

4. Not recognizing Zod as the most important fan at all games.

5. Not paying enough attention to character, at first. Now paying too much attention to it: young football players are not always going to be saints, especially when you give them a lot of money. Are we looking for saints when we need football players?

Overall, it's hard to fault a guy like JR but I'm watching Polian's team destroy a team that destroyed us in the playoffs. I look forward to general thoughts.

Can't entirely agree with number one. Not defending giving Mark the spot, but Polian wasn't the way to go either.

Bill Polian hired Jim Mora before he got Tony Dungy, and the teams he built around Manning had been largely underachievers until Manning finally got over the hump. The Colts have been good with Manning in there, but even with him in place the team around him has only been good enough to get to the big dance one time, and they've been one and done in both years since.

Throw in that when you talk about character, Polian himself has a couple of personal incidents unbecoming a professional (once threw a chair at an agent, and there was some in-stadium incident a couple years back where he was supposed to have assaulted someone).

Worth remembering also that the Panther teams Polian built were good only for short-term success. They got old fast. And in truth, Jerry Richardson's gentlemanly Southern calm never meshed well with Polian, so I doubt he'd have worked out here long term. And I'd add that letting Kerry Collins go was the right thing to do given the circumstances at the time.

Two I can't argue with, though the other big choice he had at the time (Mike Holmgren) wasn't supremely successful in his next job either.

Ditto number three, but the positive from both of those is that Richardson's learned from those mistakes and is highly unlikely to repeat them.

Five I can't sign on to either. Character matters, especially with Roger Goodell now in charge of the league.

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Can't entirely agree with number one. Not defending giving Mark the spot, but Polian wasn't the way to go either.

Bill Polian hired Jim Mora before he got Tony Dungy, and the teams he built around Manning had been largely underachievers until Manning finally got over the hump. The Colts have been good with Manning in there, but even with him in place the team around him has only been good enough to get to the big dance one time, and they've been one and done in both years since.

Throw in that when you talk about character, Polian himself has a couple of personal incidents unbecoming a professional (once threw a chair at an agent, and there was some in-stadium incident a couple years back where he was supposed to have assaulted someone).

Worth remembering also that the Panther teams Polian built were good only for short-term success. They got old fast. And in truth, Jerry Richardson's gentlemanly Southern calm never meshed well with Polian, so I doubt he'd have worked out here long term. And I'd add that letting Kerry Collins go was the right thing to do given the circumstances at the time.

Two I can't argue with, though the other big choice he had at the time (Mike Holmgren) wasn't supremely successful in his next job either.

Ditto number three, but the positive from both of those is that Richardson's learned from those mistakes and is highly unlikely to repeat them.

Five I can't sign on to either. Character matters, especially with Roger Goodell now in charge of the league.

all that may be true, but on draft day, he brings his A game.

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all that may be true, but on draft day, he brings his A game.

During the 1996 draft...

ESPN: "So, do you have any concerns at all about his durability?"

Polian: "None."

The player being referenced was Tshimanga Biakabutuka.

Polian has his draft mistakes too (Mike Doss, for example). Every GM does. Most are only as good as their scouting staff. And the guy who was in charge of some of our most horrendous drafts (through 2005) was a Polian hire.

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I'm not sure how much I agree with number one (thanks for the reminders Mr. Scot), but I think the first huge mistake was making Capers GM. I think Capers was a good coach and liked the way his teams played. The second was in letting Capers run the whole show--I would like to see him get a chance with a top offensive coordinator who is given a lot of leeway.

Other than that, I think he's been great.

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