Cap savings IF we cut Stewart, Gano, and Dickson

[bobsfoodbasics]

Nothing will make me happier than to see Gano get cut.

 

 

[cookinbrak]

How much would we save if we cut our top ten payroll people? We'll have tons of money then!!!!

[Toomers]

2 hours ago, Udogg said:

My whole point is who?

Laveon Bell?  Even Master P wouldn't make that deal as an agent for 7 mill. 

 Adrianne Peterson?  That aint happening... 

Eddie Lacy? ...giggles..  nah

Latavius Murray?  Maybe?  

Danny Woodhead? hahahha

Isaiah Crowell? errrr...

Chris Thompson?   ....pfft... I'm just being facetious at this point. (heard that word on TV ..had to use it today). 

 

 

Every other FA runningback is not even worth mentioning.  So Get rid of JS, for a 5 mill saving, invest that in ...I guess the only option is Latavius Murray,   That's not an upgrade or downgrade in my opinion.   That's also if he signs for less than 7 million....   

If we had a viable replacement, or clearly and up grade for JS then I agree.  But cutting someone for the sake of cutting them, just in case you need a million dollars to keep KK?  When we are 50 mill over the cap? 

Not getting it man..... 

 

 You're cutting him to save 3.75M. That includes re-signing him at around 2.5M. He would.still be here. It would be 6.2M if we cut him outright. Just restructure at those numbers. I haven't seen anyone say that they want him gone. I think everyone wants him here in 2017. Just no reason to pay him at a 8.2M cap hit for 2017. 

 

[panther4life]

3 hours ago, Udogg said:

My whole point is who?

Laveon Bell?  Even Master P wouldn't make that deal as an agent for 7 mill. 

 Adrianne Peterson?  That aint happening... 

Eddie Lacy? ...giggles..  nah

Latavius Murray?  Maybe?  

Danny Woodhead? hahahha

Isaiah Crowell? errrr...

Chris Thompson?   ....pfft... I'm just being facetious at this point. (heard that word on TV ..had to use it today). 

 

 

Every other FA runningback is not even worth mentioning.  So Get rid of JS, for a 5 mill saving, invest that in ...I guess the only option is Latavius Murray,   That's not an upgrade or downgrade in my opinion.   That's also if he signs for less than 7 million....   

If we had a viable replacement, or clearly and up grade for JS then I agree.  But cutting someone for the sake of cutting them, just in case you need a million dollars to keep KK?  When we are 50 mill over the cap? 

Not getting it man..... 

 

I understand what you're saying and I admit I'm jumping the gun here. No reason to cut him right this second. In that one thread where someone said "you play gm". I stated I was comfortable cutting Tolbert,Soliai and Dickson before the start of the offseason. I said we should wait and see how free agency and draft play out and if we can find suitable replacements for Stewart and Gano this offseason then yea move on and free up the cash.

I just have a strong feeling after free agency and the draft play out(Moreso the draft,hoping we land Fournette) there will be a viable option to replace him. If G-man is unable to do so then yea keep him this one last season

That 50 million in cap space can disappear quickly, especially if we decide to be more aggressive in free agency. No way around it someone is going to get overpaid compared to what seems to be their market value. I'd rather have every penny available to overpay a top tier talent than to be fishing for mid level guys that get overpaid such as Soliai last season.

 

 

 

[heel31ok]

16 hours ago, panther4life said:

Stewart = 4.75MM

Gano = 3.1MM

Dickson = 2.05MM

less likely ones but plausible 

Lee = 3.433MM

Oher = 2.5MM

Nobody else really makes sense to move on from. Stewart, Gano and Dickson are really the only contracts where the production doesent live up to the cap hit. 

Id like to see us move on from all 3 personally. 

Stew worth every penny...

[Ace_Aladdin]

10 hours ago, stbugs said:

Already posted my thoughts but wrong. With McAfee retired Lee is the #1 remaining punter in average and Palardy was #30, and actually worse than Gano. The difference in yards per punt between Lee and a Palardy was 7 yards per punt. That's best to almost worst. Every punt is a almost an extra first down for the opponent. Almost last in the league isn't good

If Lee's healthy he's actually a weapon if he's at the top.


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I think we have good enough defense to counter that & if we use that money for offense we wouldnt have to punt often.

J-Stew > Lee 

[Pimpdaddy]

2 hours ago, bobsfoodbasics said:

Nothing will make me happier than to see Gano get cut.

 

 

..Gano had a lot of factors that influenced his shtty year...different holders, different snappers, fked up line. ...hes been pretty solid for the most part... think if/when Lee comes back our kicking game will be pretty decent. 

[panthers55]

4 hours ago, Udogg said:

Don't see why after this year.  Next year his cap number is only 2.5 million.  Unless there is a 'dramatic" drop in production, it would make even more sense to keep him next year as a inexpensive piece. 

It depends on who we draft and how they play. If it is Fournette the thinking is that he will be a cheaper younger version of Stewart so keeping Stewart is redundent. That assumes Fournette is better, stays healthy and we move away from the 2 back system which we did the past 2 years but may go back to with Cam running less.

If it is someone else, then Stewart may be here for the foreseeable future.

[panthers55]

Did everyone forget that Gano played the last several games with a broken bone in his kicking foot. He did miss a few critical ones early like the Denver game but every kicker seems to go through bad stretches. I think he will be better moving forward.

[Pimpdaddy]

4 minutes ago, stbugs said:

For what he's getting paid, he should be top of the league and he was at the bottom last year. Kind of like the Lee discussion, yet Lee was 2nd in the NFL in punting average. There's a difference paying a premium for someone at the top versus a premium for someone at the bottom.

...does your philosophy apply to Cam...and for the record, im not a hater....

[Udogg]

2 hours ago, Toomers said:

 You're cutting him to save 3.75M. That includes re-signing him at around 2.5M. He would.still be here. It would be 6.2M if we cut him outright. Just restructure at those numbers. I haven't seen anyone say that they want him gone. I think everyone wants him here in 2017. Just no reason to pay him at a 8.2M cap hit for 2017. 

 

You think he would be willing to take ...a 4 million dollar paycut?   Broken down Matt Forte got 4.5 Mill.    Also taking into context he is only 2.5 Mill towards the cap next year.  So you are saying Jonathan Stewart isn't worth 11 mill over 2 years?  

Restructure into a signing bonus,  where you can right it off at 5 mill this year and next year.  But 8 mill isn't a crazy number for what he brings. And like I said .. next year he is only 2.5 mill against the cap.   It would only make sense if you need a few mill this year to sign someone else.  

So in conclusion:

You want to cut Johnathan Stewart ..without bringing him back (He aint taking a 4 mill paycut.. can pretty much guarantee that). 

We don't have a viable backup.  Hopefully we get Fournette but that's a big wish. 

And next year he would only count 2.5 mill against the cap. 

We are doing that to save money on the 50 mill in cap space we already have.

 

smh.. I don't get it.  I must be missing something. 

[Ace_Aladdin]

52 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Again, so wrong on punting. Giving the opponent an extra first down every possession you punt is how you counter a good defense. That gives opposing teams extra FG opportunities and possibly TDs over FGs.

I'm not advocating Lee over Stewart, but I would rather keep Lee. I also think it would be better to restructure Stewart as well. He isn't worth $8M.

 I disagree,  a defense that is in top 10  should be able to get consistent 3 & out  it would be a big deal if our defense was in bottom half of the league but that shouldn't be the case.

 Palardy came in did hell of a job half way through the season and his technique should improve with a off-season under him. The bigger liability for the special team Is the gunner , poor tackling, & mental mistake.

 

J-Stew should restructure but we should cut Lee and use it on FA

[brandon_87]

19 hours ago, Saca312 said:

I'd like to see Stew's deal restructured - he's still the best pass blocking RB in the league and does so much when healthy -but everyone else - Gano and Dickson - should be out.

 

I agree 100% with all this

[brandon_87]

A lot of people on here do seem to not appreciate the value of a great punter...field position is everything when your offense is horrible