Article debating Offense vs Defense for Panthers

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2 minutes ago, stirs said:

The first 2 rounds are full of good players.  Trading up and losing several guys does not make sense.

Because of guys on one year deals, FA losses, cuts and injuries, we need a RB, RT, DE, S, LB and CB and possibly, yes another DT

IMO the idea of trading down is always more enticing than trading up. Especially with a draft class that is deep. All that said I doubt we move at all with the first pick.

After that everything is out the window as far as scenarios go. For example if a guy falls to the high mid second Rnd and G has a top 15 or so grade on him I can see some dealing being done. 

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11 hours ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Gettleman has NEVER traded down.

For everyone thinking trade down, what does Gettleman like to say:  "I'd rather have a quarter than two dimes."

The ONLY reason I think that Gettleman would be open to trading down is if he thinks he can get a better value according to him.  Like (continuing his coin based values), if he has the first 10 picks at half dollars, and then the top 50 players as quarters, if he could turing $.50 into $.75 or more than $1.00...he's be foolish in his own right.

It just depends on how he values guys.  Either way, I'm thrilled about this draft!

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I mostly agree with this guy's analysis, although where he has our needs as DE, OT, RB, TE, CB, WR, I would push the OT down a few notches.  This assumes we don't get clobbered by injury again.  I think that if Fournette is there, we do take him unless Allen, Thomas, or Garrett (yeah, right) is there as well.  If Fournette, Adams, Hooker, Garrett, Thomas, Howard and Allen are all gone, we will probably take Barnett--you just can't argue with college production.

As for trading down, there's no way we do that unless it's just for a few spots and we get something good in return.  That assumes that we can convince someone to do so.  Maybe we can trade with Cleveland at 12 and swap both our second rounders for theirs--that's fairly equitable.  Or if Baltimore or Washington swapped places with us for their second round pick.  But imagine you're on the other side of either trade, how would you feel?

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1 hour ago, Cyberjag said:

I mostly agree with this guy's analysis, although where he has our needs as DE, OT, RB, TE, CB, WR, I would push the OT down a few notches.  This assumes we don't get clobbered by injury again.  I think that if Fournette is there, we do take him unless Allen, Thomas, or Garrett (yeah, right) is there as well.  If Fournette, Adams, Hooker, Garrett, Thomas, Howard and Allen are all gone, we will probably take Barnett--you just can't argue with college production.

As for trading down, there's no way we do that unless it's just for a few spots and we get something good in return.  That assumes that we can convince someone to do so.  Maybe we can trade with Cleveland at 12 and swap both our second rounders for theirs--that's fairly equitable.  Or if Baltimore or Washington swapped places with us for their second round pick.  But imagine you're on the other side of either trade, how would you feel?

Swapping with Cleveland would get us an early third I think

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33 minutes ago, stirs said:

Swapping with Cleveland would get us an early third I think

It could get us a third or help to move both our second round picks to Cleveland's spots.  Based on his history, I think Gettleman would prefer the latter.

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I don't know why people think just because gettleman has said he won't trade back, he won't. Dude has said something in a presser and done the complete opposite several times


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On 3/26/2017 at 10:21 PM, Lasus83. said:

Both him and Barnette have the motor and get accused of production based on their ability to guess the snap count. Both have the makings of very productive DEs at the next level

However, Barnett did it against SEC talent for 3 years... And his resume against that talent is insane.

Thomas is more fluid... in drills and on tape.

Both have not hit their physical ceilings.

But Barnetts locker room reviews (intangables) and consistent production (versus only 1 season of "top-tier pass rushing"), puts him above IMHO.

I hope teams picking 1-7 disagree with me

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Thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for. This is going to be a heck of a draft to predict for us, so many options, so many guys that could help our team. Glad I don't have to make that pick.